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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2003, 02:58:40 PM »
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How bout we invade Cuba and see if it turns out as good as Iraq?


Ya, i would sign up instantly, as long as i got a piece of property down there for the effort...
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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2003, 02:59:58 PM »
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Kappa I'm sure you know that similar things were said of Stalin in the 1930s, the USSR was described as a wonderland in countless glowing reports of visitors to the country. I'm certainly not saying it's the same or close in Cuba  but you never know what goes on behind closed doors in dicatorships..

If it is so wonderful why does Castro not allow democracy? If it's so wonderful why do thousands risk 90 miles of shark infested ocean and cuban military patrols and god knows what punishment to escape to the USA?  

And still does anyone know how manyCastro killed?


naw grun.. I didnt think about Stalin.... Im not saying the have heaven on earth... Im saying the have a pleasent meger existance with food and medical care... They have newspapers.. Tv...  I did not mean to describe Zen...... I meant to describe a populas free from tyranny.(even if I could spell)  

So, I guess in a nut shell, many of them have what I dont... health coverage...... Soon for me though.. 8)

About 9,000 peps move to canada each year form the US... How many mexicans do you think come to america each year?? How many other foreign immigrants come to america each yr?? I would think the non-cuban immigrants would by far out shadow the cuban peps..

I only know for certain what my s-father saw.. I dont know what was said in 1930 russia or any other place as far as that goes.. I only wanted to make the point Cuba is NOT the ruled under thumb hell on earth some propagandist might want to express..



Hortlund... whats the Swedish foppa???

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« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2003, 03:02:09 PM »
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Hortlund... whats the Swedish foppa???


You mean Peter Forsberg?
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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2003, 03:03:43 PM »
damn maniac..  i dont think dude is from sweden... hortlund that is

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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2003, 03:07:05 PM »
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Someone said "Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face, there will be a liberal there pointing out that the face afterall, enjoys the benefits of being literate and having a job"

Fitting really.

You dont have a ****ing clue. You dont. So just shut the **** up.


Its funny seeing a total ignorant telling others they dont have a clue.

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« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2003, 03:07:39 PM »
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naw grun.. I didnt think about Stalin.... Im not saying the have heaven on earth... Im saying the have a pleasent meger existance with food and medical care... They have newspapers.. Tv...  I did not mean to describe Zen...... I meant to describe a populas free from tyranny.(even if I could spell)  

So, I guess in a nut shell, many of them have what I dont... health coverage...... Soon for me though.. 8)

About 9,000 peps move to canada each year form the US... How many mexicans do you think come to america each year?? How many other foreign immigrants come to america each yr?? I would think the non-cuban immigrants would by far out shadow the cuban peps..

I only know for certain what my s-father saw.. I dont know what was said in 1930 russia or any other place as far as that goes.. I only wanted to make the point Cuba is NOT the ruled under thumb hell on earth some propagandist might want to express..

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The same was said of Stalin, people had work, eduaction, food and health - most of all they were describes as "heppy."  really not so different than the propaganda we see out of Cuba..

As for "free" communist healtrh care, I had the benefit of free communist health care in Yugoslavia - perhaps the wealtiest and most progressive of the communist countries of all time. Anyway I can show you how "free" that health care was with the enourmous dental work I had done in the USA to correct the easily fixed stuff that the "free" communist health services had let pass early on...

There is a reason that Castro maintains power to himself. There is a reason for all the censorship of media. There is a reason for all the political prisoners. There is areason thousands risk the lives of their families to escape.  Perhaps those people dont see the same fine tourist areas that foreigneres see.

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« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2003, 03:10:23 PM »
Really Grun, you should visit Cuba. And I'm not talking about the plush hotels that show you what Castro wants you to see. Go visit the country.

It will be a revelation, maybe even a disapointment.

I'm not defending poor old half senile Castro and his outdated form of government, but what you think of Cuba is wrong.

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« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2003, 03:11:41 PM »
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Perhaps those people dont see the same fine tourist areas that foreigneres see.


You sir have no clue. Book a ticket and get off your bellybutton and go there and see for yourself.

My brother and his friends travelled the whole country on their own... No fear for being mugged or anything...

Like i said earlier in this thread : life quality and life standards are two completly different things.

The ones who want to leave? well heck i guess they feel like 99% of us in the "free world" we always look for something "better"...
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2003, 03:15:06 PM »
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The same was said of Stalin, people had work, eduaction, food and health - most of all they were describes as "heppy."  really not so different than the propaganda we see out of Cuba..

As for "free" communist healtrh care, I had the benefit of free communist health care in Yugoslavia - perhaps the wealtiest and most progressive of the communist countries of all time. Anyway I can show you how "free" that health care was with the enourmous dental work I had done in the USA to correct the easily fixed stuff that the "free" communist health services had let pass early on...

There is a reason that Castro maintains power to himself. There is a reason for all the censorship of media. There is a reason for all the political prisoners. There is areason thousands risk the lives of their families to escape.  Perhaps those people dont see the same fine tourist areas that foreigneres see.


Your prolly right. America even has places folks wanna get away from. I think that is inherrient no matter where you go..

Mexico city (which i have seen) is not at all like rural mexico... People have money... The vast majority of folks are middle class well to do folks with MONEY! But still Mexico city, being among the largest cities in the world, has it's slums...

Let me put this question to you... Why cant americans go there? No flights leave continental US for Cuba.. Its illegal...  Cubans LUV americans for obvious reasons... think about it...   which side doesnt want us there...  12months ago, we could even goto iraqi if we wanted...

im off now... ck my other thread if any get a chance.. 8)

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2003, 03:17:01 PM »
I saw much, MUCH worse living conditions in Mexico.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2003, 03:21:03 PM »
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I saw much, MUCH worse living conditions in Mexico.


I wonder of the millions that have fled Cuba to the US how many are sending money to relatives back home?
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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2003, 03:21:12 PM »
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Originally posted by kappa
Grun,

Do you really see Cuba as a opressed country? I cant...

The country is 100% literate....

The people are happy...

The people have health coverage......

Most the people have jobs........

Have you known of a mass murder taking place in Cuba??

Castro wanted a relationship with america... America in turn pushed him away... He came to us first... We said no....

My step father has been there... Passport not stamped of course.. They will not stamp american's passports..  What he saw of the country was not unlike Mexico...  Poor people yes, but people with food, shelter, and medical coverage...  He spoke of happy families...  He spoke of smiling children.... He spoke of dailey commerce and exchange of goods and services... He spoke of a kind caring people.... Nowhere, that he related to me was evidence of a brutal dictatorship...

Not all revolutions are bad........

Hate for Castro has festered long....

And... o ya... Castro is luved by his people.. He gave them what they did not have before... food, shelter, education.. etc...

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2003, 03:22:55 PM »
You see but unlike you guys I have personal living experience in a communist country,  and you cant really compare it to democracatic countries.  The people may be friendly and outwardly happy but unless you lived it yourself its very hard to understand the sort of pressures they are under and the forces working on them. They are just not free, despite all the care and education they have.

Look at it this way. I'm sure many of you guys here defending Cuba are also against the Bush policies on terror war  - thats a fair statement I think. Why are you against him? I mean the USA is wealthy, it has lots of food lots of happy people - why complain? maybe some of you complain because of patriot act restrictions, maybe some compain about bush secrecy, or about iraq.

Well imagine how you (yourself personally)  would complain, if you could, against the castro restrictions. Of course they largely cant speak out because itsa one part dictaorship with limited speech rights. So how much value do you place on (poor quality communist - my experience)  health care then? Imagine if there were punsihments for speaking out, would you risk your family?  
With the governemt controling the economy, health and education its very easy for them to take it away from troublemakers - and that stuff happends a lot.  Or the reverse happends, officials favor their friends for the best care to the detriment of the average guy.
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2003, 03:30:17 PM »
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Look at it this way. I'm sure many of you guys here defending Cuba are also against the Bush policies on terror war - thats a fair statement I think. Why are you against him? I mean the USA is wealthy, it has lots of food lots of happy people - why complain? maybe some of you complain because of patriot act restrictions, maybe some compain about bush secrecy, or about iraq.


Im not defending anyone, im djust giving you feedback from someone whos been there in person, why? because of the views of Cuba you posted earlier in this thread....

War on Terrorism? i think that all terrorists should be taken care of...

As far as the Iraq war goes, im djust pissed over the WMD issue to start the war, ive said all along that if Bush said something along the way like this : Were going in to kill Saddam

Then he would have got my respect...
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2003, 03:30:37 PM »
Will answer my own question. A lot of money is going to Cuba from the US.

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