Author Topic: Ref "the Lazs MA strat idea" - oh to one of the "talented" few .... (Read 11728 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:25:35 PM »

beetle... I don't think the terms "realistic" and "bomber" should be used anywhere in the same thread much less sentance.

lazs

mars01 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:32:54 PM »

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Yes I know that you and your ilk would like to see bombers mandated out of existence. In accordance with furballer requests they've already been made ineffective, but you guys can't be satisfied until you have everything your own way. You are very sad, and you make me sad.

My god Beetle you must have a skull 3 feet thick.

Pay attention - Furballers don't care what anyone else does. We would just like the MA to be as conducive to furballing as it is to every other form of game play.

So no You dont know crap based on your quote.

vorticon · « **Reply #62 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:34:29 PM »

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The Bottom line is every kind of game play is well and evenly represented in the MA EXCEPT furballing. Furballs are few and far between, easily killed and originally what the MA arena was designed for, Air to Air Combat. It is not a matter of kicking people out of the MA like you would like to do. It is a matter of offering the ability to furball as much as any other type of game play, evenly

??? there only easily killed because front lines to narrow so the tards have nowhere else to attack...and if furballs arnt evenly represented right now then the argument few can stop the fun of many no longer holds true...just because your to lazy to fly for a few more minutes (AT MOST...25 miles at 100mph is 15 minutes...200 7.5 minutes...and since furballs are usually in the middle of the sector its only a 3.5 (approx) minute flight to the furball...) did you ever think that if there isnt a furball already in progress you could start one...get a big enough dar bar in a sector and they will come...

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He/She had the same opportunity to end my sortie ... that is a 1 vs 1 scenario ... the problem lies with a FEW vs MANY scenario. FEW can spoil the "fun" for MANY is the problem beet.

thats only because someone had the bright idea to make resupplying a feild completly useless...oh and the tards on your side have the same opportunity to pork there feilds fuel...

so the solution would be...1st make reesupplying feilds more effective...2nd move the bases a little bit closer (no more than 28 miles apart...though that does promote the tardlets suicide porking) 3rd make bombs dropped on a "fighter" scored sortie not to anything...bombs dropped on "attack" sorties do half damage...bombs dropped on "bomber" sorties do regular amount of damage...4th increase the strength of fuel tanks (easily accomplished) 5th possibly add a fighter only ordinance enabled 10k mountain surrounded furball area in the center of each map...or at least something similar to whats on NDisles

there you go...rather than arguing over whos a talentless loser you should be coming up with possible solutions to the problem...nothing ever got solved by calling each other names

beet1e · « **Reply #63 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:41:35 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Pay attention - Furballers don't care what anyone else does.

Yes they do. They don't like it when the tardz pork their fuel (though I don't blame them if it's a suicide pork) and they don't like bombers destroying the FH or a CV. They don't like the fact that one guy piloting a buff can do the amount of damage that he can. I think maybe it's you who needs to pay attention!

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:44:16 PM »

I have no problem with making resupply more effective but would prefer that the fuel simply could not go below 50%... that way.... sky accountants would effect only other sky accountants.

Also agree that fields should be closer together. Those two features would help a lot.

best solution tho is to have strategic targets that affect the war but have little or no effect on the fighters fighting each other. The lazs strat idea would do that... lert em carpet bomb cities. let em take credit for "winning the war".

lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #65 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:48:42 PM »

Mini-

Maybe I can give you my take on dogfighting in the MA, though some will tell you I don't know what a real dogdight is.

I prefer the MA to the DA because it's the common ground. It's where everyone from the greenest noob to the Biggest Video Game Fighter Ace can be found.

The terrain plays a certain role, but you also have the socializing of the MA.

There's no score for DA. There's no MuckMAW landed 47 kills in his F6F message either.

Why won't anyone admit the following:

I like recognition for my gameplay abilities. I like the "WTG" I get when I land 2 or more kills. I like checking my score and seeing improvement.

What is so bad about that? Why is everyone so afraid to admit it?

I'm sure this does not apply to everyone, but I'm equally sure I'm not the only one who gets a good feeling when I land 4 kills and some folks on country channel I never talk to shoot me a WTG.

mars01 · « **Reply #66 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:49:24 PM »

Beetle you are ridiculous,

Slap agrees, I agree, you want to bomb, bomb it is the suicide morons that create the problem. You want to take out the FH go ahead. Fester proved that if you move the fields closer together then the furball has much better chance of not being killed by furball killers and you strat guys can still kill strat and take bases.

I am paying attention to all your innuendo and BS. You make statements that furballers want this and that and when we tell you, you are wrong you ignore it. What a joke.

vorticon · « **Reply #67 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:52:21 PM »

just 1 more thing...mini since you seem to be opposed to laz's idea...what do YOU suggest be done to fix (or improve) the situation...

mars01 · « **Reply #68 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:57:26 PM »

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??? there only easily killed because front lines to narrow so the tards have nowhere else to attack...

BS since fester proved that the closer the bases are the more persistent the furballs are.

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and if furballs arnt evenly represented right now then the argument few can stop the fun of many no longer holds true...

Its even more true now. This just show even further how little you know or furball. The resone furballs are not evenly represented is because the few can kill them very easily.

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just because your to lazy to fly for a few more minutes (AT MOST...25 miles at 100mph is 15 minutes...200 7.5 minutes...and since furballs are usually in the middle of the sector its only a 3.5 (approx) minute flight to the furball...)

Yeah lazy, your way you spend more time flying to a fight than actually fighting just what you strat guys like. Then comes in the suicide fuel porker now you cant get the fuel to only fly the 5 to 8 min you suggest so now you have to up a sector and a half or more back to bring enough fuel so you are flying 10 min to get to a furball that may be all but over. Again your wrong.

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did you ever think that if there isnt a furball already in progress you could start one...get a big enough dar bar in a sector and they will come...

Yeah that happens. If you wish really hard you'll get that train for xmas, or is it the dolly you really want lol. If that were the case this thread would not be taking place.

SlapShot · « **Reply #69 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:02:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Slapshot, you're still lieing.

You knew before you even posted that you weren't really posting the reasons why people that just want to furball without interuption don't go to the MA to do it.

It's not a matter of passing a test, it's a matter of being honest. You were not, and now you're continuing avoid the issue that I knew anyone who replied would intentionally avoid.

Put it back on me all you want. I'm not sitting here coming up with contrived replies because an honest answer would be counterproductive.

MiniD

Lieing ... that would be very hard to prove. Try a better tack than that.

"don't go to the MA to do it." ... I am sure you meant DA here but in your haste to be the witty-one you messed up.

Ahhh ... now I see the light ... I think ... numbers !!! Yes ... there would not be a good amount of numbers in the DA to sustain the type of fight(s) that we seek and it would get boring killin and getting killed by the same pilot(s) over and over.

Mini D, if you think for one second that I am hiding something because I will say something "counterprodcutive" to the "furball" cause and it would unleash the wrath of a Mini D response, you are for a shock.

SlapShot · « **Reply #70 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:11:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Ah... the "leave the CV be" argument.

I'll leave the CV be the day those flying from the CV don't level the base they are "furballing", start vulching and then eventually capture unless someone "ruins" it by sinking the CV.

Sound familiar SlapShot? Or was I just imagining you nailing me as I launched from a hangar?

MiniD

No you weren't imagining me nailing you ... I admit it ... that was me.

But ... had you fully read my thoughts on this, at the point that we were advancing towards your field, then the CV needs to be sunk ... I have no problem with that ... and that is exactly what happened.

Also, if you remember, once the CV was sunk I sent a big salute to the FDBs and thanked them for the fights ... only one FDB sent a salute back. It wasn't you ... nor had I expected one from you either.

lazs2 · « **Reply #71 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:12:27 PM »

mini di.. is just being a little more pissy than normal lately because he got beat up in the oclub by........ GIRLS!

lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #72 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:16:43 PM »

I've seen some decent numbers in the DA.

80 max, once, but you're right Slap. Normally, theres only about 10 or so in the DA, so you would end up killing the same folks over and over above a flat, featureless terrain.

On the other hand, though, don't we see alot of the same folks over and over in furball in the MA? I mean, for me, this is often the case.

Also, if the DA became the Furball Mecca, would'nt we see numbers in there start to climb, much like the CT did over time?

Finally, is there any merit, in your opinion to what I posted earlier about pilots enjoying the recognition of their peers that is only available in the MA right now?

lazs2 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:22:23 PM »

muck... speaking for myself... I would say that of course.. there is merit in what you say about recognition. Most furballers have to work pretty hard for their kills... I am pretty poor at it myself but if I get 4 or five kills I will put out a little extra effort to land on the runway instead of ditch to "get my name in lights"...

even more important... I have been in sims where their is tow arenas.... where the community is split... RR and FR for instance or Axis vs Allied and regualr etc. I don't think that is so great.

lazs

SlapShot · « **Reply #74 on:** December 10, 2003, 01:26:34 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Mini-

Maybe I can give you my take on dogfighting in the MA, though some will tell you I don't know what a real dogdight is.

I prefer the MA to the DA because it's the common ground. It's where everyone from the greenest noob to the Biggest Video Game Fighter Ace can be found.

The terrain plays a certain role, but you also have the socializing of the MA.

There's no score for DA. There's no MuckMAW landed 47 kills in his F6F message either.

Why won't anyone admit the following:

I like recognition for my gameplay abilities. I like the "WTG" I get when I land 2 or more kills. I like checking my score and seeing improvement.

What is so bad about that? Why is everyone so afraid to admit it?

I'm sure this does not apply to everyone, but I'm equally sure I'm not the only one who gets a good feeling when I land 4 kills and some folks on country channel I never talk to shoot me a WTG.

You know ... all these points have been addressed/pointed out/confessed to/conceeded to in another heated "strat" vs "furball" thread.

These points are not new as far as I am concerned. If this is the meat the Mini was looking for, then he came in on the whole discussion somewhere in the middle.