Ref "the Lazs MA strat idea" - oh to one of the "talented" few ....

[SlapShot]

Vort ...

Don't jump into the middle of something that you have no clue about.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by lazs2
muck... speaking for myself... I would say that of course.. there is merit in what you say about recognition.   Most furballers have to work pretty hard for their kills...  I am pretty poor at it myself but if I get 4 or five kills I will put out a little extra effort to land on the runway instead of ditch to "get my name in lights"...

even more important... I have been in sims where their is tow arenas.... where the community is split... RR and FR for instance or Axis vs Allied and regualr etc.    I don't think that is so great.

lazs

Splitting the community, in  my opinion is never a good idea.

I think we all need to accept the fact that we're going to have to live with each other for a while, and that there will always be griefers in any internet game who seem to get a hard on every time they ruin someone elses fun.

Unfortunately, I can be grouped into that category because I've been known to sink CV's that are immersed in furballs. I generally only do it when the CV is attacking a friendly base.

There is a certain satisfaction that comes from hitting a moving target with the new bomb system, especially when the CV is maneuvering. I can't put it into words, but putting those bombs into a tough target always feels good.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by vorticon
just 1 more thing...mini since you seem to be opposed to laz's idea...what do YOU suggest be done to fix (or improve) the situation...

Opposed to which one of lazs' ideas?

Bases closer together? - Opposed
Furball island? - Opposed
Large sector cities? - Like

What I'm opposed to is the blind ignorance being levied in these discussions on the direction the game should be played.  The blind refusal to admit that there's more to it that what people are saying and the  "only if it proves my point" mentality being displayed.  When lazs posts... he hits those whether it's a good idea or a bad idea.  He still refuses to acknowledge a downside to anything.

As for you slapshot, you are projecting and pretending again.

When a CV is parked off shore, it holds all of the advantages in a fight.  It's ack is indestructable and totally lethal, it can shoot flak at anything over 3k and you can always launch full fuel.  As a result, the CV fights are fights over a deacked field where half of the kills are vulches.  Everyone flying from the CV get's the feeling it's a furball while those flying from the base view it as defense.  The CV is sunk, the "furballers" whine.  I do, however, apreciate you giving an whenever you attacked from an advantage and were successful.  I see great honor in that.

Truth be told, "furballing" has become synonymous with "easy kills".  People don't want to be closer to a fight, they want to be closer to an easy fight.  People don't want good fights, they want easy fights.  People don't want fair, they want lopsided.  There is an arena for fair fights to occur without intervention... but nobody flies there.  "Variety" is cited as a reason, right next to "leave us alone".  Irony does not even begin to cover the flawed core of the argument.

MiniD

[lazs2]

There is no downside to fields closer together... about like in festers map.

lazs

[Mini D]

Originally posted by lazs2
There is no downside to fields closer together... about like in festers map.

How would you know?  You don't play it.

MiniD

[Rude]

Originally posted by Mini D
This is twisted and distorted pongo.  Lazs' argument is flawed.

If "furballers" truly just wanted to be left alone, they'd just go to an arena where they were left alone.  Why don't they?  It's a simply question that no "furballer" has ever answered honestly.

Not wanting to fight in the war is no excuse for feeling the war is too impacting on you.  Not wanting to climb to over 5k in the MA is not a reason to claim it is impossible to stop a fighter attacking a base from 6k.  Not wanting to defend a CV does not give you the right to verbally assault someone for sinking it.

There's some fundamentally flawed arguements being presented and accepted.  THERE IS "A WAR" IN THE MA.  IT AFFECTS EVERYONE PLAYING IN IT.  SIMPLY CHOSING NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN IT SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU IMMUNE FROM IT'S AFFECTS.

Impact is another story, but it never really stays on that.  Suiciding is another issue, but it never really stays there either.  The truth is, people just want to blame everyone else for every problem, boredom or general issue they have with the game.

MiniD

You cannot be this thick Deja....final try.

I have only two problems with AH gameplay....

The first is the ability for anyone to shut down the fuel supply with only one fighter in one trip and then to re-sup the same fuel requires 6 or 8 trips in a C-47.

The other problem which has become more prevelant this past year is that folks won't engage....they fly around afraid to fight....might take a dive here and there, but in the end, will fly away....where I have no idea. Didn't used to be this way.

Outside of the above, I could care less what the more intense players do with their online time....neither do Lazs or the other furballers.

Calling them names and poking them with insult takes place only because they deserve it....it's not personal on my part.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Mini D
BS.  Pure and simple.  You're dancing around it.  Get to the heart of the matter.

MiniD

Where's your crystal ball man....you seem to know so much about all of us.

Just because you don't like what's being said, does not mean the truth is not in it.

I think you just like to cause trouble.

[Rude]

Originally posted by LePaul
Since when are the strat/bomber guys porking fuels to 25%?  How many times have you been waiting to up from a base and you see the lone P-38 or P-51 dive down, bomb/rocket fuels, and auger?  Then voila, fuel 25%.  I've seen it many times.

I can't speak for other bombers but my sorties are multi-sector and are usually targetting cities...since by time I get there, the fights already on.

You need to realize that there are people like  myself, Muck, Cajun and others who enjoy hitting strategic targets.  Cities, hangars, fleets, etc.  

You also have the jabo/suicide idiots who take buffs NOE, attempt to pancake what they can with as many bombs as possible, die, then repeat the process.

As for Lazs colorful metaphors....he's been calling us those names forever.  Whenever we throw mud back his way, he cries foul.  

Like MiniD has said many times, Lazs skirts the questions and issues.  

Apparently, he has HiTech's ear tho...Lazs wanted buffs made ineffective and HiTech delivered.  Most of the guys I used to up into bomber formations with gave em up.

How have buffs been made ineffective?

You now can fly with more firepower than before(3 ina group vs 1)

You now drop as they did in rl....a carpet bombing technique vs the laser guided silliness of before.

You just need to practice...I can hit whatever I aim at and I hardly ever fly buffs.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Rude
I have only two problems with AH gameplay....

The first is the ability for anyone to shut down the fuel supply with only one fighter in one trip and then to re-sup the same fuel requires 6 or 8 trips in a C-47.

Ah... impact.  Not that you care about rebuild, because someone else would have to do that.  Of course, if someone else was also defending the base, this wouldn't be an issue.  The dependance on someone else doing all of this is really the issue.  Nobody wants to do it.

The other problem which has become more prevelant this past year is that folks won't engage....they fly around afraid to fight....might take a dive here and there, but in the end, will fly away....where I have no idea. Didn't used to be this way.

Aren't you in the 13th rude?  What were you saying about being thick?  I don't disagree with the observation of the current MA scene, but I do disagree with the "wasn't that way before" statement.  Maybe you didn't see it because AH doesn't model a review mirror.

It's actually why I find alot of the self-proclaimed "furballer" statements funny.  I've seen many of them fly and not a single one of them behave the way they claim they do.  It's not about the fight, it's about the kill.  If you can't get tons of snapshots, then it's a bad fight.  If someone get's behind you, drag them out for one of your squadies to kill.  Yeppers... there's some good fighting for you.

Outside of the above, I could care less what the more intense players do with their online time....neither do Lazs or the other furballers.

Then you haven't been playing lately either rude.  I think you fail to realize just what the word "intense" means.  Some would think that word applies to people that insist there should always be instant action and verbally abuse anyone that disagrees as well as aplying it to the field generals.  Others don't.  You may want to talk to your squadmates about this one.

Calling them names and poking them with insult takes place only because they deserve it....it's not personal on my part.

And it's not intense.  Nope.  No way.

MiniD

[Rude]

Originally posted by SlapShot
I guess you didn't read my original thoughts on this ...

If there is a CV furball of the coast and the fight it staying off the coast ... then let it be. Please bomb the cruiser and any/all support ships ... thats cool, but as soon as the fight appears to be endangering the coastal base ... bomb the crap out of it.

They don't give a crap...don't waste your time.

This game is so different than it used to be....I just don't fly anymore....that move seemed to fix all these issues nicely.

[Rude]

Originally posted by sax

Disagree all ya like--but
Character attack on Slap--don't think so Mini.

That's his style Sax....big difference between calling someone a sky accountant and calling another a liar....of course, bringing up the point of fuel porking/supply issues is entirely out of line too.

[SlapShot]

"As for you slapshot, you are projecting and pretending again."

If you say so it must be true.

You know ... the more you argue the more myopic your viewpoint gets ... you really need to work on that.

"I do, however, apreciate you giving an whenever you attacked from an advantage and were successful. I see great honor in that."

As opposed to you never giving a no matter whether you are at an advantage or disadvantage. I have also given you when the reverse has happened ... win or lose. Again ... no surprises here.

At the end of the CV fight it was a general salute to the FDBs for all the fights in general and respect for the squad ... advantages / disadvantages really didn't enter into the equation.

[SlapShot]

"Ah... impact. Not that you care about rebuild, because someone else would have to do that. Of course, if someone else was also defending the base, this wouldn't be an issue. The dependance on someone else doing all of this is really the issue. Nobody wants to do it."

Do you really know how many resupply sorties I have run in C-47s and/or M3s ? I have done many.

Defending ... ah yes ... my Spit V is a mighty match for mutiple suicide dive bombing buff formations. Its my all my fault ... I admit it.

[mars01]

Originally posted by miniD

Truth be told, "furballing" has become synonymous with "easy kills". People don't want to be closer to a fight, they want to be closer to an easy fight. People don't want good fights, they want easy fights. People don't want fair, they want lopsided. There is an arena for fair fights to occur without intervention... but nobody flies there. "Variety" is cited as a reason, right next to "leave us alone". Irony does not even begin to cover the flawed core of the argument.

Says who? you?  Where do you pull this crap out of, wait I know.  People do people don't can you be more vauge and generalised.  Whqat blows my mind is you have no argument.

One more time for the retarded that cant get it.  It would be nice if the maps were more conducive to furballing.  That is you didnt have to fly 5 to 10 minutes to get to one and they were not so easily stopped.  Proven solution to both problems Festers map - move the fields closer together.  I still have not heard a valid reason why moving the fields closer is a bad idea.

[Mini D]

I like the way people say how they fly, say what they want, claim they do certain things and then prove otherwise once they actually put the gear up.  Someone from the 13th just said that people didn't used to run from fights.  Someone that spent an hour vulching a base from a CV wants to pronounce the merit of CV vs close field battles.  

This is getting downright pathetic.  In a single post someone can insist that they aren't trying to affect how other people play then complain that people aren't playing the way they'd like.  People are arguing using rhetoric so much that they are simply not thinking about what it is they are saying.  Tiresome does not even begin to cover it.

You guys have been lieing to yourselfs so much you don't even realize you're doing it anymore.  Now you're trying to convince people that the lies you're trying to tell yourselves are really truths.... while demonstrating otherwise.

Excuse me for calling you out on it.

MiniD