HTC: NOE Dar Bar

[darling]

I had an interesting discussion last night on the subject of the dar bars. Now that it is possible to shut off the dar bar for NOE flights, I think it's a valid question wether we should do this in the MA. I think we should, how about the rest of you people? My reasons are as follows:

1. New base layouts prevent single bombers from taking out their plane launching capabilities.

2. Radar really should not work for planes making the effort to come in at low altitude.

3. It would be a whole lot of fun IMHO.

Post your opinions, pls.

I also think its time we get to see the B29 Superfortress. The new bases invite a use for this plane now. Perked of course. So far we have gotten lots of RAF, IJN, IJA, Soviet and LW planes. How about one USAF late-war? We have the G10, Dora and TA-152 to counter it.


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2nd Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
 

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[2Late4U]

Problem is that without bar-dar, all it takes is a few people with nothing to do for an hour to shut down your country for hours on end BOY THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN!

No bar-dar means I can seek into a large base way behind enemy lines and take it unmolested.

[Wmaker]

P-51D, P-38L and P-47D-30 are USAF late war planes.

1Wmaker1
Lentolaivue 34

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[Karnak]

 

Originally posted by darling:
I also think its time we get to see the B29 Superfortress. The new bases invite a use for this plane now. Perked of course. So far we have gotten lots of RAF, IJN, IJA, Soviet and LW planes. How about one USAF late-war? We have the G10, Dora and TA-152 to counter it.

 

There are 13 Luftwaffe, 6 RAF, 5 VVS (Russian), 3 Japanese and 2 Italian units in the game as compared to 16 US units (I don't count the LTVs because they had to be American, no other nation built equivalent units).

With the exception of the Luftwaffe, which has a decent number of units, how is the US lacking in units?

As far as 1944 units go, the US is set there too:

US 1944-45 Units
P-38L
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51D
F4U-1C

Luftwaffe 1944-45 Units
Fw190A-8 (hardly a competitive fighter in 1944)
Fw190D-9
Ta152H
Ar234A

RAF 1944-45 Units
Typhoon MkIb
Tempest MkV
Lancaster MkIII (only the twin .50s in the tail distinguish it from 1942 Lancs)

VVS 1944-45 Units
La-7
Yak-9U

IJN/IJA 1944-45 Units
A6M5b (hardly a competitive 1944 fighter)
N1K2-J

Regia Aeronautica 1944-45 Units
NONE

I would like to see the following aircraft added in 1.08:

P-40E Warhawk
Me410A Hornisse
Tu-2
Mosquito FB.VI Series 2
J2M3a Raiden
Ki84 Ia Hayate
Re.2005

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[darling]

We're getting off topic. I am not asking what planes we want for AH. My main question is about the NOE dar bar, not the planeset. My B29 comment was purely incidental, and pointed to HTC.

[GunnerCAF]

 

Originally posted by darling:
.. I think it's a valid question wether we should do this in the MA. ...

Post your opinions, pls.

I think it would be fun to limit radar in Historic Scenarios and Special Events but not in MA.  

Gunner <CAF>
GunrCAF

[Tac]

No, Darling is right, planes flying NOE should NOT show on bar dar. What is the point of having no dot bar when NOE anyway? Theres 1 field per sector, if the bar dar shows one con and no dot, then, DUH what ELSE can it be? You get people taking off and whomever is trying to sneak in will have high cons diving on his helpless ass.

no dar bar for planes flying 200ft AGL or below, no dot dar for planes 500ftAGL or below.

[Ghosth]

The real question here as I see it is what will allowing NOE flights do for gameplay?

With current dar & sector bars there is NO way for more than a single buff to get to target unescorted. Single cons slip through esp if they have taken the time to get alt, & hit quiet area's on the map.

But with the new field layouts a single bomber can no longer close a field.

Allowing a NOE bomber group to get to popup range before being detected will add to current strategy & tatics. They still have to pop up into dar range before their drop or the acks will cut them to shreds.

Will it need adjusting for balance, very likely. But let us give it a try for a tod & see what happens!

[NUTTZ]

First!!! even with the addition of the Ki-61 the IJN is hardly presented in AH!!!!!!!!
Ok, now to the topic, I don't give a Rats bellybutton about being historically acurate. So this is purely a gameplay issue. IMO, removing the Dot in the sector is fine by me, In fact i would vote for that, But removing the sector bar would be a wrong move  (as far as gameplay goes) It would be great for attacking sorties but terrible for defense AND people who don't have hours to search for an ever eluding prey.
NUTTZ

[daddog]

To keep it on the topic flying NOE in Aces High cannot be done because of the sector bars.  If I understood him correctly Darling is not suggesting removing the sector bars altogether, but just for those below radar. Personally I am a fan of NOE missions but due to the current configuration in the MA the success rate is about 1 in 5 in my experience.  Consequently they are not very popular with those I fly with because the "enemy" knows we are coming every time. In Warbirds our success was about 50/50.

I am not a fan of the main and hardly fly there, but as it has developed I think removing the sector bars for those flying below radar would allow the option of low level strikes a success rate deserving of the quality of pilots attempting it. Removing the sector bars altogether would be a disaster, but that is not what is being suggested.

As far as aircraft, no fan of the B-29, but we are in need of RAF, IJN, and IJA aircraft above all others.
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332nd Flying Mongrels
Snapshots & Check 6!
The probability of survival is equal to the angle of arrival.

[Eagler]

or have the dar bar pop up when planes are within say 10 miles or so of a base. This would force the NOE'ers to weave their way to a base to avoid detection and still provide time for a scramble to the vh, fh or manable acks once they are within the given range and the bar suddenly pops up.

Eagler

[funked]

Shut if off please.

[LePaul]

I agree with the Mongrels, anything under 500ft shouldn't show on the bar graph.  

I haven't seen anyone mention that radar wasnt widely available in the early days of the war, yet we have this "AWACS" type system in the Main Arena.  Thus, asides some idiots going off map, there really isnt any stealth/sneak attacks going on.

Thanks!


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Paul J. Busiere

Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

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[hblair]

Do something to bar dar plz..

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[lasse]

At least, please remove the bar dar while in flight.
It`s ok to have it when you are in the tower.


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The Wild Vikings
Commanding Officer
Lasse

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