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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2004, 07:08:05 PM »
By helping people and making sure they know the help is personal.  It's not rocket science.

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2004, 07:34:34 PM »
MrCoffee--> By killing all those who practice it.  It's a quite comman act really, just look back in history.
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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2004, 07:41:17 PM »
When did the war with iraq have anything to do with the war on terrorism.

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2004, 07:43:37 PM »
I was just thinking aloud. I do think Al Qaeda will eventually ceese to exist. However in looking at the world and knowing that populations will continue to expand etc... along with its associated societies and difficulties. Its easy for me to see terrorism still happening in the year 2050. A totaly different group of people and agendas of course. I guess Im not an optimist.

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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2004, 07:46:25 PM »
read into history. There has always been terrorist in one form or another. Its a war that cannot be won by invading countrys that have nothing to do with it.
You have to cut it off at its money source. Saudi Arabia.
So go ahead and filler up. a good percentage of your cash is going towards the funding of fundamentilist islamic schools and terrorist organizations.

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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2004, 08:06:04 PM »
Like any Democracy, you get the government you deserve.

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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2004, 08:08:14 PM »
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I'd say that if Spain elected a "coalition of Left Wing parties" then Spain gets the government they deserve......
 



amen. The left parties in spain are risible at the very best. The new president has no character at all (it's a puppet in Gonzalez's hands- Gonzalez was president since 1982 'till 1996), and his right hand is an idiot as Caldera is (I'm not trying to put him worse than what it is. I know several people who know him first-hand ,between them some of his professors at the university, and all of them say the same: he is simply Idiot).

We will probably see a coalition of a center-left party (PSOE) with a mid-extreme left party (IU,with a pro-castrist leader) and with an extremist catalonian independist republican party (ERC, his leader tried to talk unilaterally with ETA a few months ago).

The very reason why this has happened has been a mixture of government blunders with very hard media infamation (there's a whole media group called PRISA that has really worked hard to difame the government during the last days, mostly on very dubvious or directly false grounds). There's also the fact that the PSOE itself has used the death of 2 hundred people in a demagogic, bastardly way instead of being at least a bit decent.


what we have seen is media manipulation on a gross scale,mixed with the fact that there's a party of cyinics (PSOE) who would lose their shoul just to achieve a hundred votes more for them. They used pure demagogy with the war against Irak, they used demagogy with anything they could.

just for the sake of comparison, imagine that after 9-11 the Democrat Party impeached bush, supported by the most powerful media group of your nation, and accusing him of causing the terrorist attack because his policy.
And them imagine that the Democrat Party and that media group spends all the time they can yelling the the republicans are lying to the nation, and demanding investigation results just 24 hours after the attack itself.
Here in spain, 60 hours after the attacks there were 5 arrests and there's a very solid line of investigation, there's been an exceptional work by the police and intelligence services. But just 24 hours after the attack, when nothing was clear and many things still pointed ETA as responsible, there already was a Socialist deputy openly accusing the Government of lying and hiding information.
Just 2 days before a general election, with 200 death still hot.

and, yes, they are that low.


In other words, we're in to a four year very funny (because PSOE is risible), very hard (Economy will go under, as will be work paces and antiterrorist fight- remember, one of the partys that will group with PSOE tried to make an unilateral agreement with ETA a few months ago), years impasse. After that, people will come back to their senses and vote the Popular party back...

or we will see Spain disintegrate and fall into a 3rd world status.




Daniel, lo de Ana del Palacio es una manipulacion evidente. La presunta circular a las embajadas (no hay nada que lo pruebe, solo lo dice la SER de "fuentes fiables", que supongo seran las mismas "fuentes fiables" que juran que hubo un terrorista suicida y ahora vete tu a saber donde se han metido) fue impartida entre las 6.15 y 6.30 de la tarde. La furgoneta con las cintas en arabe fue hallada tan solo un cuarto de hora antes. Hasta ese momento nadie dudaba de que habia sido ETA, y Exteriores no es Interior...y Del Palacio no es telépata.


Personalmente no creo que haya habido manipulacion por parte del gobierno,aunque si una muy deficiente forma de propagar la informacion que ha sido explotado por PRISA y el PSOE para lanzar a los cabreados a la calle. Me parece indignante que hayan usado descaradamente esos 200 muertos para esto, pero bueno, nos esperan 4 años de Zapatero presidente, Caldera ministro, Llamazares tambien, y de rotura absoluta de la lucha antiterrorista por la oposicion frontal que ERC va a presentar a cualquier intento de terminar con ETA por via no negociada.

Ya me contaras dentro de 4 años si te alegra o no que esto haya pasado...porque nos esperan tiempos MUY negros.

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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2004, 08:15:01 PM »
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Like any Democracy, you get the government you deserve.



sadly in this case, is true. That a pathetic sad man like Zapatero is going to be my nation's president makes me wanna run outta here ASAP.

There's a lot of very influentiable people in my nation...something like a lemming herd. If the front lemming goes right to the earth's end and falls down, the rest of the lemmings go and follow him without really thinking what they are doing.

it's sad,but it's the truth.That a media group has been able to use the death of 200 to put a new government in place says very little of the intelligence of those who listen, read, or watch that media group and doesn't know to think by themselfs.

Pathetic nation where I live. At least in that regard.

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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2004, 09:42:27 PM »
Regardless of why the Spanish electorate's point of view changed since the bombings, this was a huge victory for terrorism.  Terrorists can now claim that slaughtering civilians can change the outcome of an election.  As Spanish troops start leaving Iraq, the terrorists will be able to claim credit.  And I for one think they are correct.  This election will cast a long shadow.

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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2004, 09:46:46 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2004, 09:57:25 PM »
sad - best of luck Spain
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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2004, 12:56:03 AM »
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No one has ever succeeded in defeating terrorism with force. Perhaps you will be the first, but I doubt that ... I doubt that very much.


Well if that's the case, I’d suggest our Euro brothers best keep they’re pray rugs and Korans handy. You’re going to need them, if you want to stay alive.

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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2004, 01:45:15 AM »
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because we ignore their cause and refuse to change our lives


What was this topic about again? I'm not sure the people in Spain are seeing this in the same light that you are.


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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2004, 01:52:30 AM »
We shall see.

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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2004, 01:59:05 AM »
Timothy McVeigh, Army of God, ELF, etc. There is always a cause for someone or some people to become terrorists, invading countries won't end it.

Terrorists aren't just foreign, and they will always exist.
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