Author Topic: COMMUNITY and #1 (Read 4370 times)

SlapShot · « **Reply #60 on:** June 24, 2004, 02:18:13 PM »

Simpler would have been the ability to perma squelch 1 or any channel (e.g. ch6). That would have been a win win option.

Agreeded ... simple to you and me, but we have no clue as to the programming ramifications for HT.

detch01 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 24, 2004, 02:28:07 PM »

Etch - just a quick coupla points here:
1 - your rights and freedoms to behave as you see fit extend only as far as they don't impinge on someone else's rights and freedoms to do the same thing and vice versa.
2 - the "propaganda" channel became the sewer. Sewage is an unavoidable result of community, but most communities eventually figure out that open sewers aren't healthy and they put them out of the way somewhere where they can't do any harm.
Ch200 means that those who like it have a place to wallow and those who don't, don't have to get their shoes dirty every time they play the game.

Hand me that copy of Twain will you. It's cold in here and the fires getting low.

oboe · « **Reply #62 on:** June 24, 2004, 02:50:11 PM »

Well said, detch.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #63 on:** June 24, 2004, 02:55:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Magoo
OK then, If Skuzzy is so smart then how come he's wearing the neighbor's shoes? (stolen from the movie "Parenthood")

Magoo

LOL! Magoo. That was good.

For those advocating squelching as a good solution. Think about this. The people most likely to squelch ch1 are probably the ones which should have been on ch1 and the ones causing a person to squelch ch1, should not have been on ch1.
Just a thought.

Halo · « **Reply #64 on:** June 24, 2004, 03:09:32 PM »

Ch 1 too often was boring yappy distraction for the amusement of a relative few, comments often having nothing to do with the game or the community at large.

Aces High offers a tremendous community bonus in its bulletin board. Post there on any topic, and much easier to be selective and even search by subject. Much better than turning gameplay into a general chat room the way Ch 1 was evolving.

And still can do the chat room thing on Ch 200. So tune Ch 200. Talk all you want about anything. Only now the live audience is only those who WANT to hear such chat, not a captive majority of the rest of the players.

Dunno how HiTech could do anything more fair than what he has.

sling322 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 24, 2004, 03:42:20 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>The 200 switch is one of the most brilliant things HTC has ever done. My kudos.
<<

I agree, but its not original. Throughout history, "unpleasant voice " have been removed (e.g., poisoning philosphers, puratanism, communism, and our current "political correctness.")
But everytime, its lead to change. I can't wait to see how this changes a virtual society.

Book burners have a very poor k/d ratio I guess because they burn more than they read.

"I DON'T LIKE THAT!!! Remove it!!"
(in a shrill, hysterical, paternalistic voice) "WE MUST ****SAVE**** the ****CHILDREN****!!!!"

Yea right - and power has nothing to do with it eh?

Was just too hard to tune out the smack talk eh? Was just to hard not to read it eh? Yea right - sell it to someone in with a double digit IQ. Anyone in triple digits knows its a power play.

Trivia question - what was the reason given for executing Socrates? (if you didn't burn the damn book you'll know).

I think the most important point you are missing here is that it was HTC's decision. You are making it sound like there was a concerted lobby by a group of players to have it removed. There wasn't. You aren't being oppressed....its a damn online game for cripes sake. I have seen the drivel on channel 1 and believe me there aren't any great thinkers and prophets being muted.

Rino · « **Reply #66 on:** June 24, 2004, 04:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by jordi
I think the SILENT Majority has spoken.

They do not care if CHAN 1 STAYS or GOES to CHAN 200.

Therefore it boils down to the two sets of vocal minorities of those that want CHAN 1 to stay or CHAN 1 to GO to CHAN 200.

And it looks like the Powers to be are leaning toward the vocal minority that want CHAN 1 to GO to CHAN 200.

Maybe we should get rid of all the comm channels next then.
So your "silent majority" can stay that way. After all, we need to
make it easier for those who have no wish to interact with others.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #67 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:00:53 PM »

>>1 - your rights and freedoms to behave as you see fit extend only as far as they don't impinge on someone else's rights and freedoms to do the same thing and vice versa. <<

Your point is taken, but I just want to make it clear I don't think having ch1 or the priviledge of posting on this board is a right. HTC is business, and I do what they say or I go

Pass the Twain did you say?

"You can find in a text whatever you bring, if you will stand between it and the mirror of your imagination."

Now don't burn it!

Ooo - I found a better one...

" I am always reading immoral books on the sly, and then selfishly trying to prevent other people from having the same wicked good time."

TweetyBird · « **Reply #68 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:16:57 PM »

>>The people most likely to squelch ch1 are probably the ones which should have been on ch1 and the ones causing a person to squelch ch1, should not have been on ch1. <<

This confused the hell out of me

Maybe its the lead cup I'm drinking out of....

jordi · « **Reply #69 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:22:01 PM »

Maybe he meant . .

The people most likely to squelch ch1 are probably the ones which should NOT have been on ch1 and the ones causing a person to squelch ch1, should not have been on ch1either

Just a guess ?

Tilt · « **Reply #70 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:22:25 PM »

I think Silat touches on 2 valid community based point.......

Channel 1 debate

OC environment.

But firstly

This community is not the same as ones we may remember..........

its "younger".... its less "mature" it reflects a time when "this pursuit" is accessable to many that "long ago" would not, indeed did not have access.

Indeed those of us who may like to think we are "more mature" do not set good examples.......we are often far too ready to "trade trash" on channel 1 rather than lead as any sort of example.

Hence channel 1 descends to the gutter talk of a fifth rate school play ground rather than the competitive banter of an open sports arena. It becomes the place of petty squabbles and political/racial agendas. Its influence negative and its presence there by default.

I think its movement to 200 carried a unspoken message from HTC.

HTC could not have any opinion on a radio channel (its an inert carrier of communication). They could (and it seems did) form an opinion over the content of a radio channel.

AW did benefit from the OC arena entry room. How such "meeting places" could be positively constructed in AH I do not know.

I do believe that it too could suffer the same descent as we witnessed of channel 1. If HTC even suspected this could happen do we think they would waste precious resources to supply it?

So I would say Community Police Thyself.

Positive aspects of community are built from within...... not enforced from outside.

We do not need special powers or even special moderators we just need to simply stand up for the community we want.

If we see "behaviour" we dont like we say so...........

We dont get dragged into senseless trash talk.....we simple state our opinion and carry on..............

We lead by example.............

We act as we would like everyone to act................

To quote an old A.C.C.S addage we behave like "nice" soldiers.............

Tilt · « **Reply #71 on:** June 24, 2004, 05:35:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Grizzly
community pride

Now there is a concept.................

detch01 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 24, 2004, 06:23:37 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>Your point is taken, but I just want to make it clear I don't think having ch1 or the priviledge of posting on this board is a right. HTC is business, and I do what they say or I go

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Pass the Twain did you say?

"You can find in a text whatever you bring, if you will stand between it and the mirror of your imagination."

Now don't burn it!

Ooo - I found a better one...

" I am always reading immoral books on the sly, and then selfishly trying to prevent other people from having the same wicked good time."

"A village fire-company does not often get a chance to show off, and so when it does get a chance it makes the most of it. Such citizens of that village as were of a thoughtful and judicious temperament did not insure against fire; they insured gainst the fire-company."
- Pudd'nhead Wilson

Nash · « **Reply #73 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:22:38 PM »

Yer a good man, Tilt.

TDeacon · « **Reply #74 on:** June 24, 2004, 08:58:04 PM »

Thoughts on "the other side's" point of view...

1) They were obviously strongly offended by something they heard on channel 1. The tone of their comments in this thread reflects this, with emotionally loaded terms such as "sewer", "dirty", etc. Also, many of them seem angry at those of us who found channel 1 useful.

2) Instead of taking advantage of available alternatives to shield themselves from what they heard on channel 1 (".squelch 1"), they instead support elimination of channel 1 not only for themselves, for for everyone else as well. This seems somewhat unbalanced, although I am admittedly biased.

3) Statements that channel 200 is the same thing, show that they are not reading carefully, or don't want to read carefully. Please note my reasonably clear example back near the beginning of this thread. With channel 1, I could have paged the guy immediately, and if no response after 1 or 2 tries, dropped it.