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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2004, 12:00:17 PM »
suntracker... the clips don't really wear out that much and... even if you lost em all (all  285 of em?)  you couls still use the gun as a single shot.


in the end... any gun will do.   give me one and I will get whatever others I might need.

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« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2004, 12:29:06 PM »
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Gtora2    

     both weapons are super, my thought was with a bolt you would never be able to protect your family in to days reality, to many people would have semi autos and what do you think be in gangs of five ? Garand great weapon but only holds eight rounds and size of caliber would limit amount of ammo in case.But better to go with what you comfortable with.


 Nash  emmm I know....shove it...lol


I've got a nice semi-auto, but I'd be fooling myself if as an individual, I'd think I'd have half a chance against a small squad of equally armed people. I'd bring my much more accurate bolt action where I could use the longer range and stealth to defeat multiples.
Standing there like Rambo blasting away might be cool looking in movies, but it'll get you killed fast in a 'real-life' situation.  LOL, funny that I would say that as in reality, this scenario aint going to happen.
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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2004, 01:53:33 PM »
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 LOL, funny that I would say that as in reality, this scenario aint going to happen.

 You sure about that?  I would say with all the wacko crap that`s going on in the world now that we are a lot closer to it becoming a reality now than it ever was in the cold war era.
  If it`s IK with you , I`m going to keep Ole Bessie handy anyway.
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« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2004, 12:37:47 AM »
saburo.....I always have to explain everything to u.

  1. you would not be facing military but most likely small gangs.
  2. what are these gangs most likely to be made up of,people like the gangs in l.a. know very little about weapons,and normaly attack from ambush
  3.You should know a lot more of area then them and if you did not work out scenrios and stashed some clips and ammo little food and water that your problem.
  4 standing there like rambo ...that was stupid remark,I would say you know nothing about semi autos and proper use of them or you making dig at me because I am conservative.just cant leave politics out of it.
  5 I dont know about you but i have a wife and daughter and since I would be hunting mostly with home made bow and arrows and traps they would have the weapon.How long you think my daughter who is 5 fot 4 would last using a 3006.shes good with the 14 though
  6. your right wont happen cant you libs have any fun guy just asked is all so some of us went along. what a party pooper.

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« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2004, 01:46:24 AM »
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saburo.....I always have to explain everything to u.

  1. you would not be facing military but most likely small gangs.
  2. what are these gangs most likely to be made up of,people like the gangs in l.a. know very little about weapons,and normaly attack from ambush
  3.You should know a lot more of area then them and if you did not work out scenrios and stashed some clips and ammo little food and water that your problem.
  4 standing there like rambo ...that was stupid remark,I would say you know nothing about semi autos and proper use of them or you making dig at me because I am conservative.just cant leave politics out of it.
  5 I dont know about you but i have a wife and daughter and since I would be hunting mostly with home made bow and arrows and traps they would have the weapon.How long you think my daughter who is 5 fot 4 would last using a 3006.shes good with the 14 though
  6. your right wont happen cant you libs have any fun guy just asked is all so some of us went along. what a party pooper.


1) That was a given. If it was military, it would be ours. Would be glad to see them.
2) Chances are there'd be few survivors in our make believe scenario. After all the large cities would be the ones targeted. The punks running around now in gangs wouldn't scare me in if any survived our scenario disaster. They don't have the will power or the discipline to act in a coordinated matter in a survival situation.
3) Sure we should all be prepared for actually possible scenarios. For instance those in earthquake country should be prepared for earthquakes. The above "end of the world" scenario isn't going to happen.
4) Uhm, relax. I don't dig at anyone here for political affilliation. If you really believe otherwise, go look it up and search my posts. I actually go out of my way to try not to attack individuals based soley on affilliation. I apologize for the Rambo comment as it doesn't apply to all that wish to have a semi. Wasn't actually directed at you personally as I have no idea what tactics and what skills you have.

I'm going to break this paragraph so it's absolutely crystal clear to you about how I feel about you as well as most here.

Whether you be a fellow American citizen, a citizen from an allied country, and one that does not wish me, my family, my friends, and my country ill will, I will consider you my brother in arms. I don't care if we have different political affilliations as that's a really minor detail in my book. If I see you or anyone under attack, I will come to your aid the best I can. That goes the same for your family.
If you are a guest in my house, my wife and myself will treat you like family, like friends, unless you consider me an enemy.
Bottom line, cut that "I'm out to insult you" BS out. You are not my enemy, you are my fellow countryman ! Comprende amigo? If someone here wants to hurl insults my way, I'll play right back. I may not 'like' that individual, but it doesn't mean I hate them. Hate I reserve for my true enemies.

Now back on topic with #4 (continued)..
My comment was directed at those that may think that single-handedly engaging multiple enemies simultaniously in a firefight would result in a short fight with the good guy getting killed. Some people's exposure to gun battles are to Hollywood movies only. I wasn't making a dig at you. I quoted your post because yours was the one criticising GTora2's choice in weapons. My Rambo comment wasn't directed at you personally as it was a general comment to those that think that you absolutely have to have a semi. Tactics, skill, range, reliability, and accuracy are all important things to have in a sole survivor situation.

5) Yeah, in your situation, your daughter has to use what she can shoot well. A good hit with a .223 is obviously better than a 'powerful' and loud miss with a 30-06.
6) Uhm, I thought I was having fun here :D You're half right, I'm a fiscally conservative liberal (for the most part).
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« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2004, 02:03:28 AM »
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You sure about that?  I would say with all the wacko crap that`s going on in the world now that we are a lot closer to it becoming a reality now than it ever was in the cold war era.
  If it`s IK with you , I`m going to keep Ole Bessie handy anyway.


Yeah, I'm sure. Save for a fanatical fraction of those that are our enemy, we (the USA) are loved in the world. Our country represents wonderful opportunities for those that wish to work hard. We have wonderful freedoms and diversity. Damn, I love my country and its people. Don't get me wrong here as I don't wish this to be a dig at Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc. Those are wonderful countries as well with wonderful people.
I make my comment because I'm an American, nothing more.
There's not an enemy big or strong enough to wipe us out. Our enemies might give us a black eye once in awhile, but I'm confident we'll continue to persevere and prosper. We've got too much a proud and diverse culture that has made us what we are as a country. Legal immigrants are what we're about. Yeah, you can say I'm confident we'll be okay.  :)

I actually am for responsible firearms ownership for my fellow Americans. Doesn't mean you'll ever need it, but good to have non the less. I've got a nice semi auto pistol, semi auto rifle, and bolt action rifle. Wonderful weapons to fire.
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« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2004, 02:40:46 AM »
SaburoS, wanna go fishin?

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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2004, 04:53:12 AM »
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There's not an enemy big or strong enough to wipe us out.  


  Not sure of your definition of wiping us out but that`s not what I am talking about.
  There is always a few smaller radical groups out there that I think the major threat comes from. We have seen a small scale demonstration.
  A relatively small group, supplied with the tools that are floating around in the world today, with attacks on key points and coordination could bring things in any country to a point of total chaos.
  Coordinated attacks on power and communication would filll the bill.
  Without these two elements in key large cities all supply would come to a halt. Without supply these cities would be in total chaos within 48 hours or less. From that point on it would be pretty self consuming . Riots and looting would be the first step. Without communication there would be no way to control or stop the situation from escalating.  We have allready seen sections of large cities in this state over such things as racial rioting , etc.  
  Hell, we have seen rioting , looting and self destruction in the larger cities, on a fairly large scale, over such trivial things as sports events wins/losses.
  Most major military powers are prepared for large scale attacks from the outside, but turmoil from within, without power and communication is another story. In that case a country becomes it`s own worst enemy.  
  Scared, frightened and without direction the human reverts to animal instincts of self preservation. The old "team spirit" is set aside to be replaced with survival of the fittest.
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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2004, 01:37:57 PM »
geeze... you guys are really getting anal about this..  

Any gun will do.   with any gun you can get any other gun.    If you are incapable of doing that simple thing then you probly won't survive in any case.

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« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »
Well fortunate for me, I wouldnt need to buy anything.  I live in the city, but own 180 acres of land in the country.  I store all of my guns there, along with ammo, fishing rods, hunting knives, things of the sort.

All id need to do is pack up the family and drive there.

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« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2004, 01:43:04 PM »
I don't need a gun, I'll wait for Lazs to fall asleep and steal it from him. He's old and decrepit, so he's bound to doze off sometime.
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« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2004, 01:47:14 PM »
sw... I wish you all the luck in the world on that plan but....

you have been expossed here allready as a wussy liberal kery voting pansy so...  even someone as old and decrepit as me  should be too much for you.  

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« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2004, 01:55:24 PM »
Now that you mention it, I do get knocked out in a light breeze...
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« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2004, 02:10:07 PM »
Saburos......understand...

    I understand and concur with vast majority of what you said,thanks for explaination.About gtora2 I was in no way getting on him for choice of weapon, please read my post again.I said mini 14,he said garand etc. and why,I said they were super choice but gave reasons why for me mini 14 better,just conversation between him and me.
   I took offense a little at Rambo thing and ah Idea that I couldnt take on more than one. I have no idea what would happen but I would prepare.If I could run with my family I would as I know a spent round can ruin your whole day.Thanks for realizing rambo thing was a little over top and i am glad i always count to 20 before responding lol.

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« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2004, 03:16:13 PM »
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SaburoS, wanna go fishin?


Sounds great, but I won't be able to make up to your neck of the woods for a while.

As long as it isn't on a boat I'll be okay. LOL, found out the hard way about getting seasick. Several years ago, went with a coworker on his boat. He asked if I get seasick. I said I didn't think so as I'd never got seasick before on a small boat (only one other time and that was like 20 years previous, lol). He warned me that if I did get seasick we weren't turning back. I agreed he shouldn't if I did.

So we go out early to Half Moon Bay, one hour out there I get sick. Found out the hard way the different colors my bile was....yuck. About two hours into the seasickness, he offers if I wanted to go back to land. I knew he wanted to stay out there so I just said that I'm okay. LOL worst 6 hours of my boating life! Wasn't going to be a killjoy, though.

The second trip I take some Extra strength Dramamine, full dose. Totally knocked me out. That wasn't fun.
Third trip took half the dose, but was still groggy. Felt queezy too. Found out fishing on a small boat isn't for me.

Fishing is fun though.
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