New idea what do you ladies and gentlemen think.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by DrDea
I can tell you first hand Rooks didnt till around 4 or 5 months ago.It was Bish before that and Im sure Kniggits are due.It really does cycle through

Dea...im otw to work. But later i will find the thread containing the post i put up with the Numbers history.
I used the BBS Whineometer. Going back to the beginning and doing a search on anything to do with Hoard/Unbalance/outnumbered.
I was able to find a pretty accurate account of the numbers history.
At present the Rooks have held the advantage Twice as long and with nearly twice as many players than any other country in AH history.
Its just very lopsided these days. Many want to burry their head in the sand on this. But it is true. Salute

[Overlag]

Originally posted by DrDea
I can tell you first hand Rooks didnt till around 4 or 5 months ago.It was Bish before that and Im sure Kniggits are due.It really does cycle through

ive never, in almost 2 years of AHII seen teams so out of balance

whenever bish or knnit had numbers it was like 20 more ie 200:180:180.

right now, some nights rooks have 100 more at just isnt right......

[DipStick]

Originally posted by DrDea
Now THATS a thought.Would bet ya over the past 2 years its a dead heat

Problem is the numbers thing has nothing to do with resets. I couldn't care less who 'wins' the 'war'. It's about having to fight 5-10 vs 1 or 10-15 vs 2 ALL THE TIME for the last year. While it improves your SA, etc... it gets old after a while.

[FDutchmn]

Hitech,

I scanned through the thread and my thoughts are basically said by others.  I think your idea will only work because you are on the assumption that there is no incentive NOT to change countries when there is. One of the most important of them is squad affiliation.  What your idea will do is basically start a discussion amongst the players on one side and ... I can almost hear it...

A - "hey I can't up, some one get out!"
B - "I belong to a squad and I aint leaving! You get out!"
A - "Oh yeah??? yaddahh, yaddahh, yadahh"
so on and so forth...

something like this...  Not a very healthy kinda conversation...  Imposing a Waiting Time will become more of an incentive to log rather than change sides.  Not very good for the game itself.

I gut feeling is that we need a more drastic solution than imposing a waiting time.  We need to change the objective in the arena entirely, because this map reset thing or "winning" the reset is what is fueling this imbalance in the arena (as others have suggested).  I think that this "winning" the reset in the early days of AH was not really an objective because of the low number of players.  It just relatively did not happen that often.  But now it does as we have a larger player base to begin with.  With "winning" the reset, it gives an incentive to change to the country with larger numbers.  To counter this incentive I think we need to change this objective.

I have suggested on a thread two years ago, on an alternative. (Suffering from the BigPac Burnout Syndrome)  I believe others have suggested as well.

That I guess sums up my thoughts on this matter...

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Redd
This is a very important point, in PAC prime time the numbers can be low , and the %'s could be very  lopsided.

The numbers/horde are not a factor in this time zone -  no fix is needed

Not sure if this is true. I know alot of knights wait until late night to play so they can go and vulch as there are few playes on and knights usually have numbers at this time. A 20 player advantage late-night represents a 50%+ overall adavantage. A 20 player advantage during prime-time US central only represents a 15% advantage. If anything numerical disparites are even more impactfull as numbers overall decline. At night everyone tends to play in the same area, if there's 30 on 15 that's worse than 150 on 100 by far and the potential for contantly lop-sided engagements is even greater.

Zazen

[wipass]

way too many posts to read, so ...... if this has been said before, apologies.

HT you have caused the problem yourself, It's AHII that is suffering from numbers imbalance, if you re-instate the fuel porkage to 25 % I would suggest this would even things out for sides.

wipass

[Warp]

Since the topic here is numbers and through association, gang banging, here's my suggestion for "something to try"...


Create a 4th team, or drop it to two teams.  Can gang banging still occur?  To some degree, perhaps, but I don't think this will ever completely go away no matter what happens.

The way the maps are setup, if 4 teams start off, each team basically has a quarter of the map with a central point here all 4 teams converge.  Gang banging in general usually occurs on the back sides of a team's real estate.  With 4 teams, one of those teams is not going to have a back side connection to one of the other teams.  If 2 teams start ganging another, that 4th teams has no option but to attack one of the ganging teams, which in turn forces them to pay attention and thus breaks up the ganging of the original team.  

It certainly could end up in a ganging situation depending on real estate layout, but that is true regardless of the number of teams in the game.

Personally I favor a 2 team setup.  It would provide more even game play I think, but the potential is there for one side to be lop-sided.  Implementation of the time delay as proposed by HT in this situation would be most effective in a 2 team situation I think.

Having 3 teams and trying to balance numbers via a dynamic time delay wouldn't really fix anyhting I don't think.  It would be too difficult to tune the delay and difficult to figure out the correct balancing.

Anyway, just suggestions, and as mentioned, certainly something to try...and can always be changed if it doesn't work.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by wipass
way too many posts to read, so ...... if this has been said before, apologies.

HT you have caused the problem yourself, It's AHII that is suffering from numbers imbalance, if you re-instate the fuel porkage to 25 % I would suggest this would even things out for sides.

wipass

That makes no sense.  This problem predates AH2.  HTC has tried various things over the years to fix it.  It remains a problem.

How you attached fuel porking, which always hurts the down country, to this is puzzling.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Zazen13
I know alot of knights wait until late night to play so they can go and vulch as there are few playes on and knights usually have numbers at this time.

Hehehe.. Zazen this has to be the dumbest thing you've said yet.

[hitech]

We are going with a system based on the ENY value using the same formula as the time system uses.

As the number of player increases on a side planes with an ENY value less then the "balance output" will be disabled.


HiTech

[Edbert]

It is ironic that the "rook horde" and the knights being pushed into a corner started this TFH. Last night I logged into the MA and saw the rooks down to only 3 or 4 bases, the dar and most strat was gone. Looks like natural selection may have run its course and obviated the need for much of this discussion to me.

Maybe that was just an anomaly though. Regardless I went to the CT and enjoyed a nice ~20v20 of reasonably well matched aircraft that lasted for a few hours.

[Meatwad]

If you could, could you please post the formula and what planes would be affected by that said formula?

Thanks!

[Grits]

Sounds good, but then again I only fly mid/early war (190A-5, P47D-11, 109F-4, F4F-4) planes anyway so it wont effect me most likely.

When the numbers are bad, FLY THE CT!!

[kevykev56]

Great Idea Hitech!  

Thanks for asking and listening to the community!


RHIN0

[Murdr]