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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2004, 11:31:48 PM »
Well ... no offense but I suppose my own opinion that your opinion is fulla crap and not getting a paycheck for it in return somehow applies to your logic. I'll hafta take your word for it this time around. Maybe next time I'll be a little more soused and it'll make more sense. ;)

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« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2004, 11:49:18 PM »
While we're on the subject of "Kissing Ass" I am a curious person and am just dying to know one thing. What exactly do you brown nosers have to gain by getting in line to smooch butt? It's not like HT has a pen and paper and is 'keeping score' like Santa Claus and is going to bestow upon you some gift for valiantly defending his virtue on these boards.

If you really wanted to do HT, HTC, the community and the game a service you would get up off your knees and voice your honest, truthfull opinion as to what you believe is best for the game as a whole, not just  for you personally. That kind of information is really usefull to a company, especially a small shop like HTC. Do you guys realize how much money US companies spend on market analysis each year to find out how to improve their products, customer satisfaction and therefore their bottom lines? I'll give you hint, Bill Gates would be collecting soda cans on the sides of highways to feed his family  if he had to pay the bill for what corporate America spends. HTC, is getting FREE market analysis from us, well me and a few others, all he's getting from the rest of you is a vigorous ego massage.

Most of us here went through the meat grinder with either Kesmai or WB. We have seen first-hand what  small, insulated groups of well-intentioned programmers/designers can do to a product such as this when left to their own devices if they lack and/or ignore valuable customer feedback. I'm not saying HTC will go down that road. But, we as a community can help guarentee HTC does not by offering our valuable input, advice, and yes, even constructive criticism. If HTC/HiTech truly cares for this product he will listen and evaluate this information and act on it in the best interest of the community and his company if and when he sees fit. Without this information HTC/HiTech is shooting in the dark 'hoping' he guesses right. The potential consequence if he guesses wrong? Bankrupty, equity liquidation and asset dispersement to creditors, no more Aces High.

We are dealing with extremely complex issues here. Issues that honestly go far beyond C++ programming and HiTech's area of expertise. These are issues that deal with human nature, psychology, group thinking and dynamics, along with fundamental business principles. If HiTech is a smart man, as I am sure he is, he will be the first to admit he, nor anyone else at HTC  is the 'master of all these domains'.

If Kesmai and AW taught me anything from a business point of view, it taught me that not listening to your customers is sheer folly, thinking you as the designer somehow 'knows' better than your 5,000 paying customers how to handle THEIR issues is sheer folly. A little business acumen and some common sense should make this plainly obvious to anyone who has had even the tiniest contact with the business world.

In conclusion, stop kissing ass, roll your sleeves up, get in there and start coming up with ideas to improve this product. Only in that way can we be totally assured it will still be here for us to enjoy tomorrow, next month, next year or ten years from now.

Peace!

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« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2004, 11:50:33 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2004, 11:58:32 PM »
I knew it ....

I just knew that this was gonna turn into a novel entitled "How I'm Such A Brave Non-Ass-Kissing Guy Who's Doing A Great Service For The Community While Others Aren't" -by Zazen the Brave Non Ass-Kissing Guy.

Firstly ... my boot.

Secondly ... your ass.

Thirdly ... kiss it and make it better yourself. ;)

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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2004, 12:05:27 AM »
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I knew it ....

I just knew that this was gonna turn into a novel entitled "How I'm Such A Brave Non-Ass-Kissing Guy Who's Doing A Great Service For The Community While Others Aren't" -by Zazen the Brave Non Ass-Kissing Guy.

Firstly ... my boot.

Secondly ... your ass.

Thirdly ... kiss it and make it better yourself. ;)


I know I've hit a resonant chord when I get replies like this. When all my detractors can do is one line insults and references to my physical anatomy I have made my point sharp and piercing. ;) Thanks for the affirmation, Arlo.

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2004, 12:12:04 AM »
That or you tell yourself that so you won't have to do a major editing job on the 500+ words of self gratuitous tripe you just posted. Seems more like the whole "ass kissing" thing is some sort of defense mechanism that kicks in when someone tells you you've reached your bull**** limit and you didn't wanna hear that. Could it be you want others to kiss your bellybutton after all and al that "I have x number of employees and if they did that blah blah blah" was a smokescreen?

If you're gonna try to bore me to death, find something more original than that. People "quit" here on a weekly basis spouting that on the way out the door. :lol
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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2004, 12:15:02 AM »
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[B People "quit" here on a weekly basis spouting that on the way out the door. :lol [/B]


That's exactly my point!!! That is a HUGE warning sign. If people are quitting on a weekly basis saying this on the way out then there is without a doubt already a major problem. What do you think people did as AW and WB's slowly slid down the tubes?!?!?!?




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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2004, 12:22:54 AM »
This isn't a popularity contest. This is an ingenuous and conscientious effort to save/preserve a product I truly adore. If my input or anyone elses is not valued by HTC then we are already too late, the slide down the slippery slope AW took and WBs is taking has already passed the point of no return. I cannot believe that we have gone passed that point yet, I won't.

But, noone can save/preserve AH alone, not HiTech, not you, not me, it takes all of us working together in a concerted effort to do what is right. Sometimes what is 'right' is not 'right now', by this I mean sudden, abrupt and profound changes to gameplay fundamentals merely to satisfy short-term aims has the potential to, in one fell swoop, destroy this product. That is why I advocate patience, caution and a wholistic view that takes into account the 'big picture' from a myriad of perspectives and viewpoints.

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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2004, 12:31:52 AM »
You missed the quotations. People here "quit" all the time without actually quitting. The sky isn't falling. People like to beech. You like to beech. It's a common thing nowadays, apparently.

I'm from the old school. The one that makes fun of people who beech constantly. If I had a problem with HTC over anything of merit, I'd contact the company and not be a dramaqueen about it on the forums. If I decide to quit ... I'll just go.

As far as the ENY thang goes. I'm the one who suggested the damned thing in the first place. And to be honest, I was only being half serious. I could really care less about hordes OR the ENY restriction. It doesn't effect me either way. But I found it somewhat surprising ... and I have to admit .... amusing ... how much whining that one simple change could cause. There really ain't no pleasing everyone all the time. Go figure.

If you didn't have the memory of a goldfish you'd recall that I suggested multiple times last night to let the MA run for a month without the ENY restriction to see how things work out but you decided that that may be a bad thing. (hehe)

But the part about how I'm supposed to be impressed with your take on the whole "disaster" and how you have the "answer" and how anyone that doesn't agree with you is "kissing ass" somehow is sort of the icing on the cake.

HTC doesn't need your expert hospital management advice or my expert get drunk and laugh at retarded people advice. We're just making noises at each other right now. When it comes down to the pulse of the community ... there's more than you or me or the 2 dozen protesters or 2 dozen supported in the forum to be concerned with.

Sounds more like sour grapes pressed and poured into a bottle to me. :aok
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2004, 12:48:35 AM »
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I'm from the old school. The one that makes fun of people who beech constantly. If I had a problem with HTC over anything of merit, I'd contact the company and not be a dramaqueen about it on the forums. If I decide to quit ... I'll just go.

If you didn't have the memory of a goldfish you'd recall that I suggested multiple times last night to let the MA run for a month without the ENY restriction to see how things work out but you decided that that may be a bad thing. (hehe)

But the part about how I'm supposed to be impressed with your take on the whole "disaster" and how you have the "answer" and how anyone that doesn't agree with you is "kissing ass" somehow is sort of the icing on the cake.

HTC doesn't need your expert hospital management advice or my expert get drunk and laugh at retarded people advice. We're just making noises at each other right now. When it comes down to the pulse of the community ... there's more than you or me or the 2 dozen protesters or 2 dozen supported in the forum to be concerned with.

 


I never said removing the enemy thing was a bad idea. I said removing it for just two weeks likely is not enough time to 'prove' anything, it would probably take much longer to get us back on track toward natural balance now.

I think HTC should want everyone's advice no matter what your chosen career or vocation. Wether or not HTC agrees with the advice or acts on it is obviously totally his prerogative. But, at the very least he's getting information. Information is gold in this day and age.

I also think these forums are EXACTLY the place to bring up issues that effect more than just one other person besides yourself, such as cheating accusations, racial slurs and other general 'behavior issues'. Those should be dealt with privately. However, issues that effect the entire community should be dealt with publicly.

It's really a matter of convenience. What do you think is easier for HTC, reading a thread on a burning topic over a cup of coffee, making a public reply or two, gleening some usefull information in the process and perhaps getting some good ideas? OR Dealing with 3,000 angry emails as long as one of my epic posts or longer and replying (or not) to each one individually?

It was a rhetorical question, I know the answer...;) I think we'd all rather they work on coding fixes, additions, enhancements, TOD, etc. than sift through countless redundant 'disgruntled customer' letters.

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2004, 12:55:32 AM »
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I think HTC should want everyone's advice no matter what your chosen career or vocation. Wether or not HTC agrees with the advice or acts on it is obviously totally his prerogative. But, at the very least he's getting information. Information is gold in this day and age.

I also think these forums are EXACTLY the place to bring up issues that effect more than just one other person besides yourself, such as cheating accusations, racial slurs and other general 'behavior issues'. Those should be dealt with privately. However, issues that effect the entire community should be dealt with publicly.

It's really a matter of convenience. What do you think is easier for HTC, reading a thread on a burning topic over a cup of coffee, making a public reply or two, gleening some usefull information in the process and perhaps getting some good ideas? OR Dealing with 3,000 angry emails as long as one of my epic posts or longer and replying (or not) to each one individually?

It was a rhetorical question, I know the answer...;)



Does that mean if I reply that that's how we got the ENY restriction implemented in the first place that you actually expected that reply but you really don't have an answer prepared and would rather not hear that reply? :D

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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2004, 12:57:31 AM »
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Does that mean if I reply that that's how we got the ENY restriction implemented in the first place that you actually expected that reply but you really don't have an answer prepared and would rather not hear that reply? :D


You lost me again...re-phrase please.
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2004, 01:00:23 AM »
Don't worry. It was a rhetorical question written before you edited your post. ;)

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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2004, 01:01:13 AM »
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Don't worry. It was a rhetorical question. ;)


Oh good, it's getting late and my fingertips are numb from typing.:rofl

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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2004, 07:56:14 AM »
RE: ass-kissing..  it isn't really all that wise to assume that just because someone is happy with the direction the game is going they are kissing HT's ass.  

I like the way the game is going.  Forcing people into less-capable rides if they want to horde is a good thing, in my opinion.  It leads to more variety in the MA, more even numbers (possibly, they seem fairly even to me most of the time anyway), and I'm sure at least one other thing I can't think of.  

Now, there are some "issues" with the new system, however, not being able to fly the La-7 or P-51D aren't, in my opinion.  Not being able to fly the P-38, now, that seems to be a valid point.  It could be easily remedied by bumping up the ENY a bit on it, or by adding a new earlier war P-38.  Every other late-war ride has a slightly less capable (and in most cases very slightly) version available.