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Offline TequilaChaser

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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2004, 11:10:19 PM »
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wong.  No Honor in AH once again Internet though guy.

AH is not Real life.  As in there is no honor, ,class.

we are all Internet "though guys"



ok, I am not going to argue with you, grasshoppa, I guess all that stuff past me by in them other  sims, Honor, loyalty, respect, dignity, courage, cllass (thx nopoop) and the lot of it all.......... it was an illusion I was invisioning in regards to it being here in AH my bad.......

maybe some here understand what I am trying to say.......
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"When one considers just what they should say to a new pilot who is logging in Aces High, the mind becomes confused in the complex maze of info it is necessary for the new player to know. All of it is important; most of it vital; and all of it just too much for one brain to absorb in 1-2 lessons" TC

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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2004, 11:11:09 PM »
What purpose does cussing really solve?  I understand that people get angry and cuss.  Heck, I cuss every once in a while, and Ill be the first to admit it.  But, ill make darn sure that I dont hit the VOX button while Im doing it.  Its very simple:  If you're going to cuss, don't hit T or F12.  

TrueKill, even if AH is just a game, its not an invitation to swear at people you dont know and probably never will know.  I don't know about anyone else, but first impressions are a big thing for me.  If I see a new name on the range channel, and the first thing out of their mouth is profanity, Im not going to want to be around that person, much less help them when they ask.  Some people, such as daddog, would like to keep their children away from profanity and things of that sort.  Yes, they will be exposed to it one way or another, but why would you want to say things like that, especially after being asked to stop?  What purpose does it serve to deliberately ignore a person's simple request?

Its these things that drove me away from flying online.  People not having any respect for other people.  Yes, they do appear just as planes and names, but remember:  there are real people sitting on the other side of the screen.  

But really, it is a simple thing.  If you're going to cuss, don't hit the VOX key.  Its a very simple task, and an even simpler request to stop.

So please, don't cuss.  There is no purpose to it, no benefits from it, and all it will do is get you disliked and unwanted.

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« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2004, 11:13:01 PM »
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Daddag is an extremely respected member of the community


yea i respect daddog i think iv flown with him be4





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Even with your current habit, once you have kids, trust me, your behavior will change. Even if you resist the chances, the kids mother will have her own way to persuade you other wise.



hehe theres alway ur hand LOL

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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2004, 11:15:25 PM »
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And like you never Cuss Drunky :D .


I do and sometimes in the wrong place at the wrong time.

When I do it in the wrong circumstances and it's pointed out then I apologize and try not to do it again.  I don't tell someone to F-themselves over it and then defend myself using the 'It's my Freedom of Speech' arguement.  Especially when children are involved.

To say that they will hear it anyways is a cop-out IMO.  If everyone takes that opinion, then yes, every child will hear curse words then.
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2004, 11:16:20 PM »
im tyred of arguing tonight im just ganna go play

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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2004, 11:17:04 PM »
Truekill,

Favor me and answer this.

Why can't you curse in the luxury of your own home?  Why do you feel the need to push the button and curse over an open vox channel?
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« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2004, 11:28:49 PM »
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Abusive behavior/language does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.


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Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.


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Squelching an abusive player is a bandaid for the real problem. The abusive player is the problem. And we have an answer for that. Mute, eject, and ban if necessary.

No one should have to listen to it and it is unfair to use the "squelch them if you don't like it" answer. See above.

By saying, "if you don't like it, squelch it", you are saying that it is ok for a player to be abusive. Point of fact, it is not ok.

It is about choices. If a player chooses to be abusive, then that player better be ready to handle the ramifications of that choice.

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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2004, 11:45:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Abusive behavior/language does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Squelching an abusive player is a bandaid for the real problem. The abusive player is the problem. And we have an answer for that. Mute, eject, and ban if necessary.

No one should have to listen to it and it is unfair to use the "squelch them if you don't like it" answer. See above.

By saying, "if you don't like it, squelch it", you are saying that it is ok for a player to be abusive. Point of fact, it is not ok.

It is about choices. If a player chooses to be abusive, then that player better be ready to handle the ramifications of that choice.
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THANK you 2bighorn, I was looking for that.  

Pretty easy, and straightforward.  

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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2004, 12:36:58 AM »
I should have known that trying to explain the concept of class would be lost to those I was attempting to explain the concept to.

That's the way it usually shakes out.

Continue with the reasons and excuses for not having some.

What's enlightening is when the light bulb eventually does go off..

But I'm realistic, everyone has their own timetable.

For some longer than others.

Please continue, I've heard it all before.

If you could tho, please try to explain bad language online as "ok" in a way that I haven't heard before.

Come on guys here your chance !! Tough guys use "tough" language right ??

That's what it is. You wittle guys with your big bad language..

You weeely want to be a tuff guy..

One day if I cuss enough I'll be a tough guy too..

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2004, 12:53:36 AM »
I don’t want to see this turn into an ugly angry thread, though I suppose that is my fault. I set the tone, well actually ZAPP did.  I was angry and still am.

I have been in this sim for a many years. Have sent HTC e-mails only three times about someone being foul. This is one.

Yes people vent, cuss, swear when they are angry. We all do that, myself included. Even the guys in my squad have, but they apologize and move on as I do. Yet that is not what I was dealing with. He did not care if he was offending and then took it a step further and offended more.  

I made a simple, respectful request. What I received back was foul, rude and more of what I asked not to hear. I thought about saying my young son was on, but I realized rather quickly ZAPP would have likely responded with “Well get your F…ing son off line.” That is the mentality I was dealing with. Maybe he had a bad day, I don’t know. That does not change the fact that he was disrespectful, rude, obnoxious and foul, and he is responsible for his actions and behavior. Sure hope someone in his Dirty 30 squad points this out to him. I would like to hear what he has to say, if anything.
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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2004, 12:57:24 AM »
also on a side note you might be drawing conclusions to early.

ZAPP could not be ZAPP at all but possible a teenage son.
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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2004, 01:06:58 AM »
Daddog, sorry to hear about that incident...  Hope it doesn't turn your son off to WW2 aviation.

Personally, I think people should speak on range as though they are in front of a nun..  Hey, you never know, you might actually be talking to a nun anyway.

Squad's a different story.  You know your squadmates, you know their story, you hear them all swearing, you know their kids aren't listening, go ahead.

Range on the other hand...  Big no no.  Accidents happen, you might have your vox mapped to similar keys on a js or something, but if you make a mistake, just apologize.  No one will ever think the lesser of you if you do.
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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2004, 04:56:05 AM »
I know a guy (handsome devil, witty and funny too) who was banned from this BB for a particular stance on the word "Jap."  It thus seems HTC does have some standards for proper behaviour and language but with how rampant the foul langauage is on range-channel, it seems to me that it's all out of whack.  And this language is accepted by ALL to be foul language and you cannot argue it being anything but (unlike a certain J-word I know.)  To be honest, it doesn't appear that the foul language on range-channel is policed very seriously at all and this reflects right to HTC.  

Though it seems the foul language stays in the arena, because so many of us use speakers while flying, that foul language is actually brought right into our homes.  Besides, when someone gets so enraged he has to curse up a storm, we are not empathizing with you but rather laughing at you.  So why even do it?  We don't care.

I'm / / this close to closing my account anyway.  If it appears to me there is no increase by HTC in combating the foul language, then I'm gone.  I don't want to be associated with it.

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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2004, 07:20:36 AM »
I aint no angel and sware like a sailor.

I make every effort to watch my language on vox.  At times I do mess up and sware .... I apologize and move on.  If ASKED to watch my language by another player, you better believe I would respect that request.

Puke makes a great point.  The BBS is censored and policed but MA stuff never seems to get addressed.

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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2004, 08:01:06 AM »
Truekill, ever here the phrase,

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

?

You threw several up above. Granted after a while you started backing off a bit.


I've known daddog for about 7 years now.
I've slipped in front of him & never a word was said. If it gets bad enough for him to say something to someone he doesn't know. Trust me, it was WAY over the top.


As for you, well you just painted a big TARGET sign on your handle. Every HTC employee & Moderator is going to be looking to see who can get you first.

Its open season I think on truekill.

Was it really worth it? Trying to defends something that can't be defended?

Ohh & watch your 6  :)