Author Topic: Does HTC understand that the ENY thing has totally failed? (Read 3750 times)

Pongo · « **on:** October 27, 2004, 11:30:21 PM »

Not playing the game they might have missed it.

Its been 2-3 to one for weeks now.

The eny thing has absolulty, uncatagorically failed. It has failed worse then anything that HTC has ever done.

turn it off. Turn on load ballanceing on log on and get it over with.

Urchin · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2004, 04:26:58 AM »

Well was the point to make the numbers even, or to make the effects of those numbers less harsh? If I'm tooling around in an el gay, having a crowd of P-47s around means I land 8 or 9 kills instead of the 2 or 3 I'd get if they were all in el gays too.

I don't think HTC will ever be able to stop people from taking the easiest route possible, nobody else has ever figured out how to. They can make it easier for the outnumbered side to get kills, that is just about it.

Pongo · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2004, 10:02:03 AM »

Good point. And some of the time the rooks have been in the bucket latley have not been as horrendus becuause of the size of the maps and the advantage in aircraft.
But people have just learned that an infinite number of 205s and 110s can get the same job done when the numbers are so out of wack.
I admit it seemed like an excellent idea. And seemed to work under the original settings it was adopted with. But it certainly doenst work now.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2004, 11:31:39 AM »

It could be made to work better ... no telling if or when HTC will do that though.

MOSQ · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2004, 11:40:55 AM »

Pongo and Urchin,

I think the ENY Limiter for side balancing is a miserable failure too. All it seems to have done is cause a lot of folks to make an initial switch from Rooks to Nits and Bish, but they aren't coming back now that things are out of whack the other way.

If we have to live with it, then it needs to be tweaked. Here's the problem I've seen the last two weeks:

Rooks: 89
Nits: 148
Bish 140
No ENY limiter in effect! ! Apparently the limiter only works when 1 country is siginificantly numerically superior to the other two. But if two countries are both much larger, no limits. Here we have two countrys who each have 50% more pilots than the third country, but there is no side balancing occuring.

The result is the the smaller country gets gangbanged by the two large ones, fighting for scraps and the reset.

If we are going to have a balancing effect then the above should have resulted in an ENY limitation for both the Nits and Bish, encouraging a few of them to each switch sides to Rooks.

The limiter should be based on X% larger then the SMALLEST country, not X% larger than the No.2 country. And it should apply to the two larger countrys, not just the largest. For example:
Rooks: 50
Bish: 90
Nits: 100

Nits would have say a 20 Eny limter, Bish a 15 limiter.

Otherwise scrap the whole idea. I still think switching from the ENY limiter to a Ordanance Limiter is a better answer. Cut back on the larger countries abilities to drop bombs and rockets, not the kind of plane they can fly. I don't mind furballing with LA-7s, and it does no good to limit LA-7s when they larger country can JABO with P-47s carrying massive amounts of ordnance. The steamroller continues because they bomb you into submission at every base.

But limit their bombs and rockets:

X% = no 1,000 lbs bombs available
Y% = no 500 lbs or larger bombs or rockets available
Z% = no 250 lbs or larger bombs or rockets available.

Everybody gets to fly the plane of their choice but the steamroller will be slowed down to a manageable level.

Anything would be better than what we have now. It's time for HTC to experiment with something else.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2004, 12:07:13 PM »

Or give heavy bomber formations an ENY of 5.

If you wanna limit ord you also need to make buildings (and capital ships) immune to cannon fire. Who needs bombs when 3 Me110's can level a town in 2 minutes? You'll just get a NOE horde of La-7's and Me110's.

The system also needs to factor in how many bases a side owns. If you have a numerical edge but are holding only a dozen bases and everyone else has 40, then you shouldn't be ENY'd as bad as you try to regain your ground. This is one of my biggest gripes with ENY is that it gives the Horde-ing countries a built-in mechanism to retain their territorial edge.

MOSQ · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2004, 12:40:08 PM »

DoKGonZo,

Great point about the base numbers needing to be taken into account too. I agree 100%.

As far as the 110's and La-7s taking down a town, you're correct. But they will have a tougher time taking out the VH and FHs, and any Panzers and Tigers that spawn to defend the town if they have reduced or virtually no ORD.

The idea is to slow down the steamroller, not stop it entirely.

Pongo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2004, 01:42:20 PM »

it should be noted that the intial settings seemed to work for what ever reason,(curiosity?) but since they have been tweeked they have had no impact at all.
love to see the usage numbers for the 205 since the change though.

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2004, 01:51:07 PM »

Tour 53 6-1-04 to 6-30-04:
The C.205 has 3877 kills and has been killed 3799 times.

Tour 54 7-1-04 to 7-31-04:
The C.205 has 5172 kills and has been killed 4212 times.

Tour 55 8-1-04 to 8-31-04:
The C.205 has 4935 kills and has been killed 3969 times.

Tour 56 9-1-04 to 9-30-04:
The C.205 has 4777 kills and has been killed 4288 times.

Tour 57 10-1-04 to 10-28-04 (so far):
The C.205 has 4667 kills and has been killed 4133 times.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2004, 02:05:41 PM »

Cool ... I do like that more of the plane set is seeing use with ENY. But the MA is still lopsided and numbers still rool.

Pongo · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2004, 03:11:17 PM »

Ya I looked at it. Strangely the main victems of the 205 seem to be the Bish. I guess the knights are using them there in even bigger numbers then vs the rooks.

ccvi · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2004, 03:33:12 PM »

The main victim of the average aircraft is bish. Because there are a lot of them and the average k/d of bish is worse than the k/d of the other two countries.

Midnight · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2004, 03:41:26 PM »

The ENY has helped balance the numbers ......

....... of players that don't even bother playing anymore

SlapShot · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2004, 03:53:03 PM »

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Originally posted by MOSQ
Pongo and Urchin,

I think the ENY Limiter for side balancing is a miserable failure too. All it seems to have done is cause a lot of folks to make an initial switch from Rooks to Nits and Bish, but they aren't coming back now that things are out of whack the other way.

If we have to live with it, then it needs to be tweaked. Here's the problem I've seen the last two weeks:

Rooks: 89
Nits: 148
Bish 140
No ENY limiter in effect! ! Apparently the limiter only works when 1 country is siginificantly numerically superior to the other two. But if two countries are both much larger, no limits. Here we have two countrys who each have 50% more pilots than the third country, but there is no side balancing occuring.

The result is the the smaller country gets gangbanged by the two large ones, fighting for scraps and the reset.

If we are going to have a balancing effect then the above should have resulted in an ENY limitation for both the Nits and Bish, encouraging a few of them to each switch sides to Rooks.

The limiter should be based on X% larger then the SMALLEST country, not X% larger than the No.2 country. And it should apply to the two larger countrys, not just the largest. For example:
Rooks: 50
Bish: 90
Nits: 100

Nits would have say a 20 Eny limter, Bish a 15 limiter.

Otherwise scrap the whole idea. I still think switching from the ENY limiter to a Ordanance Limiter is a better answer. Cut back on the larger countries abilities to drop bombs and rockets, not the kind of plane they can fly. I don't mind furballing with LA-7s, and it does no good to limit LA-7s when they larger country can JABO with P-47s carrying massive amounts of ordnance. The steamroller continues because they bomb you into submission at every base.

But limit their bombs and rockets:

X% = no 1,000 lbs bombs available
Y% = no 500 lbs or larger bombs or rockets available
Z% = no 250 lbs or larger bombs or rockets available.

Everybody gets to fly the plane of their choice but the steamroller will be slowed down to a manageable level.

Anything would be better than what we have now. It's time for HTC to experiment with something else.

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Originally posted by hitech
No xHammeRx: The numbers are just an example. It depends on the percentage wrather than numbers. I.E. take the player count in the small country , then divide your country by the smallest. I.E. int this example smallest is 100.

So if your country has 135 it would be 135/100.

HiTech

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
It looks to me like the lower graph crosses above the top graph at around 190/100. So yeah, basically the punishment is relatively lighter until you have a 1.9:1 ratio, after which it becomes increasingly severe until it reaches the upper boundary.

This should give some more leeway to marginal but not overwhelming numbers advantages, which I think really encompass most of the complaining we've seen. It also puts a serious penalty on uberhordes. Sunday nights will become relatively more difficult for Rooks, though I suspect it won't do anything more than slow the steamroll.

-- Todd/Leviathn

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Originally posted by Zazen13
It also doesn't kick in until there's at least a 40% or so disparity. As opposed to a 20% or so disparity under the old system, that is a big improvement in my opinion.

Zazen

I call BS on both Pongo and MOSQ !!!

Some like it hot ... some like it cold ... it all depends upon what side of the fence you are sittin' on.

ET · « **Reply #14 on:** October 29, 2004, 04:46:31 AM »

Basing it on numbers does not tell the true story of what is happening in the MA at that time. Two lower number countrys ganging up on the higher number country etc.

Basing it on total bases owned would give a truer picture. A country with only five bases left needs all the help it can get no matter what their numbers are.