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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2004, 09:25:18 AM »
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You call your wife "Laci?" After Laci Peterson? And you don't understand why your mother in law would be alarmed about that?? And you've got 4 females in the house now, and you have readily accessable porn links on your family computer??

(full one minute pause of silence for effect)

This is classic of what happens when little boys get married before they learn how to become men. Instead of being PO'd at your mother in law perhaps you should listen to what she's saying- sounds like she has a legitimate reason to be alarmed at your bad manners.

This woman interrupted her life to help you and your wife out- she probably wouldn't have to if you'd get your fat bellybutton off the couch and raise a finger to help- and instead of being grateful all you do is whine because she "inconviences" you (read: you can't as easily wank off to porn sites with her in the house).

I feel sorry for this woman for having such an immature little boy for a son in law. Real men don't make threats of violence, however veiled, against their wives. Real men don't have porn links on the family computer for one and all to view. Real men  help out when there's a new baby in the house. Real men treat their in-laws with respect. But you wouldn't know about being a man because you're still just a little boy.

Ya know...I think he has a good point here. Actually...several of them.

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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2004, 10:13:16 AM »
When I'm serious they think I'm trolling; when I'm trolling they think I'm serious. All I meant was that when you get married and have a family you're suddenly low man ("man" being the key word here) on the totem pole. Muck's a good guy I guess, and not to be baggin on him, but if his wife is busy with a newborn, and his MML is busy with his older child, then what's his job? Surfing porn sites? Watching TV?

This is a male dominated Board, and the vast majority of posters here obviously have problems relating to any woman who isn't inflatable... But I'd bet if Muck made his post on a more gender-equal Board, say a Board about parenting, or values, or any other Board with a hint of morality, Muck would have gotten ripped a new one for his attitude.

Just sayin. (shrug)

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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2004, 10:14:10 AM »
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Muck kidding or not carefull with the Laci comments. I worked with a guy that went up the river for 13 months because in a fight with his girl friend he said I am going to OJ you. The girlfriend didnt even turn him in a nabour heard it and called the police. He was chaged with making terrorist threats.


Way to go Patriot Act. If you give them power they will abuse it.

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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2004, 10:44:59 AM »
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When I'm serious they think I'm trolling; when I'm trolling they think I'm serious. All I meant was that when you get married and have a family you're suddenly low man ("man" being the key word here) on the totem pole. Muck's a good guy I guess, and not to be baggin on him, but if his wife is busy with a newborn, and his MML is busy with his older child, then what's his job? Surfing porn sites? Watching TV?

This is a male dominated Board, and the vast majority of posters here obviously have problems relating to any woman who isn't inflatable... But I'd bet if Muck made his post on a more gender-equal Board, say a Board about parenting, or values, or any other Board with a hint of morality, Muck would have gotten ripped a new one for his attitude.

Just sayin. (shrug)


You were friggin serious?

Airhead, you could not possibly be more wrong.

Now, I could tell you everything I do here. I can also tell you I won the nobel prize for physics. Your not going to believe either, because your mind is made up from my original post, so why bother typing it.

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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2004, 10:52:25 AM »
Airhead I've never made any "laci" comments to my wife but we joke back and forth all the time about what we'd do with eachothers life insurence.  It's just the sort of dark humor that some people do.  I don't think Muck's a bad guy for surfing porn and I definatly don't think he's neglecting his family.  I can relate to him about being the object of criticisim for no good reason at all.

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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2004, 11:44:34 AM »
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Airhead I've never made any "laci" comments to my wife but we joke back and forth all the time about what we'd do with eachothers life insurence.  


Good point, GS- one I almost mentioned after the OJ comment. The context in which a "threat" is made is what the issue is, and joking about spending a spouse's insurance money, or making a reference to cement anchors in a lighthearted way, is far different than making the same comment in anger- then it's a threat.

"Oh, she told her sister she is appauled at how I call my wife "Laci" when she pisses me off."

as opposed to

"we joke back and forth all the time about what we'd do with eachothers life insurence."

shows a vast difference in the mood of the stater. You DO see that, right?

Look, I'm not trying to be harsh with Muck, and he's right, I don't know all the stuff he does around the house or how strong his marriage is. But two out of three marriages end in divorce, and one way to start the wheels turning for an eventual divorce is to be openly hostile to your mother-in-law. It's common sense.

About the porn- Personally I don't care, but he should at least have the decency to take the sites off his favorites list if he knows his mother in law will be using the computer. It's not like she "snooped" in his history to see his porn collection- they're right there on the "favorites" list for anyone who knows how to turn on a computer can find. After his two daughters are older will they be allowed on the computer? Will the porn links still be on his favorites list? Do you think little girls looking at porn is OK? He won't expose his children to it, but he exposes his mother in law to it? Seriously- would you want your daughter to think the way to get approval from men-is to act like a porn star?

The general concensus seems to be to throw her out- my advice is to get along. No matter how much you might despise her, you owe it to your wife to be civil to her mother. She'll be a hell of a lot more appreciative if you make more of an effort to get along with her Mom than if you act like a putz...maybe even so appreciative you might be working on Baby No.3 after her Mom leaves.



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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2004, 11:59:50 AM »
My mother-in-law is great.  Both of my in-laws live with my wife, kids and I and they do more than pull their weight.  Even at 81 my mother-in-law cooks every other night and does a lot of cleaning.  They both help us raise our daughters daily.  I can’t imagine life any other way.  Everyone in my household has and shows respect for each other (OK, the two-year-old has a way to go).  I’m sorry that everyone can’t experience this.  I know that I am lucky.

I know some pretty reasonable folks who have some pretty crazy in-laws; the kind that no one could put up with.  However, in your case Muckmaw1, I think that airhead has a valid point.  You’re bringing this on as much as she is.  She sounds as if she is far from the perfect mother-in-law, but imagine what it would be like to hear your future son-in-law joke around about killing your daughter… or viewing porn…?  Are you as good of a husband and son-in-law as she is a mother-in-law?

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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2004, 12:23:18 PM »
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Good point, GS- one I almost mentioned after the OJ comment. The context in which a "threat" is made is what the issue is, and joking about spending a spouse's insurance money, or making a reference to cement anchors in a lighthearted way, is far different than making the same comment in anger- then it's a threat.

"Oh, she told her sister she is appauled at how I call my wife "Laci" when she pisses me off."

as opposed to

"we joke back and forth all the time about what we'd do with eachothers life insurence."

shows a vast difference in the mood of the stater. You DO see that, right?

Look, I'm not trying to be harsh with Muck, and he's right, I don't know all the stuff he does around the house or how strong his marriage is. But two out of three marriages end in divorce, and one way to start the wheels turning for an eventual divorce is to be openly hostile to your mother-in-law. It's common sense.

About the porn- Personally I don't care, but he should at least have the decency to take the sites off his favorites list if he knows his mother in law will be using the computer. It's not like she "snooped" in his history to see his porn collection- they're right there on the "favorites" list for anyone who knows how to turn on a computer can find. After his two daughters are older will they be allowed on the computer? Will the porn links still be on his favorites list? Do you think little girls looking at porn is OK? He won't expose his children to it, but he exposes his mother in law to it? Seriously- would you want your daughter to think the way to get approval from men-is to act like a porn star?

The general concensus seems to be to throw her out- my advice is to get along. No matter how much you might despise her, you owe it to your wife to be civil to her mother. She'll be a hell of a lot more appreciative if you make more of an effort to get along with her Mom than if you act like a putz...maybe even so appreciative you might be working on Baby No.3 after her Mom leaves.



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Now I see where your coming from and it makes sense.

Let me be clear. If we're driving in the car, and I get lost and my wife finds our way, I'll say something like, "Way to go, Laci".

In other words, you made me look silly, haha, I'm going to kill you for it. All tongue on cheek. The laci thing is a joke, just like the life insurance. My wife thinks its very funny, to the point she has told her sister in her own stories about the joke. Its jsut our dark humor.

When my wife really makes me angry, by ususally proving my wrong on a certain matter, I normally just apologize and kind of keep to myself a little bit. (Sorta like the cave thing, in the mars and venus book...which I did read. Go ahead, laugh it up)

As far as the porn links. I disagree. This is my computer. It's in my computer room. I did NOT give my mother in law permission to use it. I did NOT even give her permission to go into the room.

Just because it is in the house does not mean she has free reign over anything, be it a computer or a toilet plunger.

She sat her bellybutton down one day and told me she had used my computer when I got home from work.

Granted, had I known she was going to help herself, I would have certainly deleted the links.

As to the question as to whether or not we get along. We do.  When she is back home, I call her every few weeks just to check on her. I also manage her entire investment portfolio, so I am pretty sure she trusts me.

Do I like her as a person? Not really. She's just completely different than me.  She's nothing like my wife for that matter either.

Airhead, as much as I wanted to call you a screaming dick for what you said, in a way I have to thank you. I have taken the time to re-evaluate the situation here. I am going to make more of an effort to help her enjoy her stay.

24 days to go. I think I'll go share the chocolate covered almonds I was hiding. Do nuts cause gas?

At least she has not farted at me today.

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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2004, 12:47:52 PM »
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Now I see where your coming from and it makes sense.

Let me be clear. If we're driving in the car, and I get lost and my wife finds our way, I'll say something like, "Way to go, Laci".

In other words, you made me look silly, haha, I'm going to kill you for it. All tongue on cheek. The laci thing is a joke, just like the life insurance. My wife thinks its very funny, to the point she has told her sister in her own stories about the joke. Its jsut our dark humor.

When my wife really makes me angry, by ususally proving my wrong on a certain matter, I normally just apologize and kind of keep to myself a little bit. (Sorta like the cave thing, in the mars and venus book...which I did read. Go ahead, laugh it up)

As far as the porn links. I disagree. This is my computer. It's in my computer room. I did NOT give my mother in law permission to use it. I did NOT even give her permission to go into the room.

Just because it is in the house does not mean she has free reign over anything, be it a computer or a toilet plunger.

She sat her bellybutton down one day and told me she had used my computer when I got home from work.

Granted, had I known she was going to help herself, I would have certainly deleted the links.

As to the question as to whether or not we get along. We do.  When she is back home, I call her every few weeks just to check on her. I also manage her entire investment portfolio, so I am pretty sure she trusts me.

Do I like her as a person? Not really. She's just completely different than me.  She's nothing like my wife for that matter either.

Airhead, as much as I wanted to call you a screaming dick for what you said, in a way I have to thank you. I have taken the time to re-evaluate the situation here. I am going to make more of an effort to help her enjoy her stay.

24 days to go. I think I'll go share the chocolate covered almonds I was hiding. Do nuts cause gas?

At least she has not farted at me today.


Good plan.

I’m a teacher.  Every now and then I get a student that I do not like.  When I realize it, I make myself look at them in a positive light.  I try to look for their likeable traits.  Sometimes it takes awhile, but I almost always learn to appreciate them for who they are.  Life becomes more pleasant for the both of us.

You don’t have to put up with your mother-in-law for 24 more days; you have to deal with her for the rest of her life.  You might as well make it enjoyable.  

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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2004, 01:32:51 PM »
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Look, I'm not trying to be harsh with Muck, and he's right, I don't know all the stuff he does around the house or how strong his marriage is. But two out of three marriages end in divorce, and one way to start the wheels turning for an eventual divorce is to be openly hostile to your mother-in-law. It's common sense.

 


I couldn't dis-agree more with this part of your post.

if you want to kill a marriage, just let the partners lose respect for each other.

having it become common in her family for them to talk trash about you is a nice seed to start killing any respect your wife has for you.  it wasn't just the mother in-law who thought this was OK, there was someone on the other end of the conversation too.

in any relationship, from your marriage to your dealings with the kid at the drive-up window, you teach people how to treat you.  every single time you allow people treating you like crap, you're teaching them and anyone who observes it (including your wife and kids) that either -
1.   it's OK to treat people this way
2.   it's OK to allow people to treat you this way
3.   that the gossip must be true because you don't confront it
4.   that you won't do anything if abused, so it's OK to be dis-respectful, abusive, rude or inconsiderate to you

which one (or more) of those messages do you want to send to your wife and kids?

how long before your wife and kids make the transition from overhearing this sort of thing, to having people do it in front of them, to them joining in, to providing ammo for the in-laws, to your kids thinking you are a joke, to your wife losing respect for you and looking for a husband she can respect.

maybe you could just put up with it for awhile.  just let it go while you put up with it.  at least until the day you can't take it any more and have a nice and usually public melt-down.  that way talking trash about you won't just be fun for the gossips in the family.  the people who know about the family gossips, and don't put much weight behind what the gossips say about others, get to join in the fun.  because when you finally can't take it anymore and lose control, you will prove the gossips right and demonstrate what a clown you can be.

it is way better to deal with this sort of thing early on when it is just annoying and unacceptable.  wait until you are mad to act and you will likely do or say something you regret, making you the unreasonable one.

it is not unreasonable or hostile to demand people to treat you with respect.  this goes double in your own home.  triple if these people have any contact with your wife and children.

what is unreasonable is to repeatedly let people treat you badly and then, after you've spent all that time teaching them that you find that sort of treatment acceptable, one day decide you've had enough and suddenly change the rules on them.


Muck, you know this is unacceptable.  if you didn't you wouldn't have written the first post.
  so let me ask you this-  do you think it will be easier or harder to take when you deal with this for the 10th time?  the 50th? the 200th?  when your wife and kids start joining in?

if it gets easier to take-  is this the guy you want to be?  do you want to desensitize yourself, train yourself over time to be a doormat?  eventually get to a place in your life where even you find it normal and maybe even deserved for people (including your family) to treat you like a punk?

or

if it gets harder to take with each instance-  wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if it continues you will eventually reach a point were you can no longer tolerate it?  would that be easier to do when you at the end of your rope or would you handle it better if you did it while you still had some patience left?
  would it be easier to put a stop to this now when it just your mother in-law, and maybe a follow-up with who-ever was on the other end of the call (if they pass on what she said), or when it becomes a common topic of amusement when your in-laws get together?

I'm not saying you need to pick a fight with her, or scream and yell and throw a tantrum.  I'd just tell her what you over-heard, and that if she can't help but use her stay with you to dis-respect you, then you will have to put a stop to it by ending her visit. explain to her that your home is private, and as a guest in your home you need her to respect your privacy or remove herself from your home.

keep in mind, she is not your mother and you are not in her house.  she has or deserves no authority over you.  you are the one who decides what is acceptable in your home and have a right (and obligation, in providing an example to your kids) to remove anyone from your home who can't behave properly.

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« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2004, 01:51:21 PM »
I get along great with my MIL, but regardless, my rule has always been that anyone is welcome to visit, no-one is welcome to stay.  4 days and the checkout time is Noon.

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« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2004, 02:09:14 PM »
Apathy,

While I agree, I need to confront this, would it be better to have my wife do it?

In other words, explain to my wife, this is what I heard, you and I know it's not true and she is making me look bad to the family.

My wife is 1000% on my side here, BTW. She is ready to cry, literally, because her mom is being so difficult.

Here's a perfect example. About a week ago, my mother in law put the baby down on her stomach, and left the room. Now, anyone who is a parent at least in the last 5 years knows this is VERY DANGEROUS. It's been linked to many cases of crib-death.

My wife caught it, and explained to my mil that this was not acceptable.

Guess what happened today. My mil had the baby while I was doing E-bay. I hear the baby crying, on the monitor so I run up, needing a break from E-bay and wanting some Daddy-Daughter time. Babys on her stomach. Mother in laws not in the room. Bad.

Here's the best part. My MIL and my wife are talking today and my MIL takes the wife she is acting like a nazi, teling her what to do and how to do it, etc.  My wife counters that she only strongly corrected her on the one thing. LAying the baby on her stomach.

My MIL flips out and yells at my wife telling her she only made that mistake one time and it never happened since.

She leaves. I explain to wife in the most genlte form possible that MIL just did it again this morning. My wife almost threw up from being so upset.

I'm not sure what's going to happen today, but something is going to come to a head. I'm worried my wife is going to really let her mom have it.

It has become apparent, my MIL cannot be trusted alone with the baby.

Now it's not funny anymore. Now the baby could be in danger with her around.

And when she screws something up, either my MIL lies about it, or she is not fully within her senses anymore. Either way, it's dangerous.

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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2004, 02:20:07 PM »
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Apathy,

While I agree, I need to confront this, would it be better to have my wife do it?

In other words, explain to my wife, this is what I heard, you and I know it's not true and she is making me look bad to the family.

My wife is 1000% on my side here, BTW. She is ready to cry, literally, because her mom is being so difficult.

Here's a perfect example. About a week ago, my mother in law put the baby down on her stomach, and left the room. Now, anyone who is a parent at least in the last 5 years knows this is VERY DANGEROUS. It's been linked to many cases of crib-death.

My wife caught it, and explained to my mil that this was not acceptable.

Guess what happened today. My mil had the baby while I was doing E-bay. I hear the baby crying, on the monitor so I run up, needing a break from E-bay and wanting some Daddy-Daughter time. Babys on her stomach. Mother in laws not in the room. Bad.

Here's the best part. My MIL and my wife are talking today and my MIL takes the wife she is acting like a nazi, teling her what to do and how to do it, etc.  My wife counters that she only strongly corrected her on the one thing. LAying the baby on her stomach.

My MIL flips out and yells at my wife telling her she only made that mistake one time and it never happened since.

She leaves. I explain to wife in the most genlte form possible that MIL just did it again this morning. My wife almost threw up from being so upset.

I'm not sure what's going to happen today, but something is going to come to a head. I'm worried my wife is going to really let her mom have it.

It has become apparent, my MIL cannot be trusted alone with the baby.

Now it's not funny anymore. Now the baby could be in danger with her around.

And when she screws something up, either my MIL lies about it, or she is not fully within her senses anymore. Either way, it's dangerous.


Don't trust her alone with the baby anymore.

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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2004, 02:26:03 PM »
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Don't trust her alone with the baby anymore.

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We've already decided that.

We're going to have a sit-down tonight after my older daughter is asleep and talk to her.

I'm just trying to figure out how to approach it.

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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2004, 02:56:05 PM »
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