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Offline Midnight

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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2004, 10:52:00 AM »
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This is a community... people like to play in the large arenas..  score?   DA?   to point to the deserted  da and score and say that they are "proof" that there are no furballers or that the furballers only care about score is like saying that...


I specifically stated there is NO proof of that in my last post.

You condtradict yourself in what you say too, Lazs. You're asking for a small area for 'fighter town' or whatever you want to call it so that your furball can go on un-molested. Then you say you want to be in the community of a large arena. Why? If you are only interested in the furball types and want to be physically (virtually) seperated from the "bore and zooms" and "Toolshed killers" then you clearly don't want to be part of the community as a whole.. you just want your piece of it.

If you (furball types) all went to the DA and started furballing, then it wouldn't be deserted, and it would have the part of the community that you were interested in dealing with.

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The bore and zoom guys like midnight depend on the furballers.  They need us because if we left they would have to fight each other and they know how boring that would be.   they depend on being higher than everyone else and untouchable.


Read my last post again. I don't need furballers for me to get my kills. I mostly find the "toolshed killers" and vultch hordes when I'm looking for a fight. I make every effort to avoid fighting near CVs, because I hate 5" flak.

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sometimes you get some action going... if you do... the bore and zoom guys and toolshed killers won't be long in coming.  When they show up the fun is about to end.... look for another place to fly..... rinse repeat.

Some small place on the map that is allways open for furball gtamelay seems a minor concession.


Here again, you say it and contradict your "community" statement. I'll sum it up for you in a letter to HTC.

Dear Hitech,

Please make an area for me to have a furball where the bore and zoom and toolshed killers cannot disturb me. I want to be able to have a constant furball where I don't have to worry about someone killing the FHs or bore and zooming me to death. I know there is the DA which is already setup for this, however I want to play in the MA "community" because of the large numbers. But I don't want to have to deal with the attitudes and play styles of the other part of the community. I guess I want to be seperated from the comminuty, yet I don't want to have to have a different community, even though the other part of the existing comminuty is always ruining my furballs.

So, in short, please give me an area where the furball can rage on with the guys who like to furball, but make it so the other guys that like to kill toolsheds don't come over to ruin the fight.

Oh, the DA would work, but then I would be seperated from the rest of the comminuty.

Regards
lazs


There you go lazs. Print it, put a stamp on it and mail it to HTC.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2004, 10:54:01 AM by Midnight »

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« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2004, 11:08:52 AM »
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The bore and zoom guys like midnight depend on the furballers.  They need us because if we left they would have to fight each other and they know how boring that would be.   they depend on being higher than everyone else and untouchable.

Do ya think?

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« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2004, 11:27:52 AM »
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Do ya think?


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« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2004, 11:28:20 AM »
This doesn't seem that tough to me.  How about...

on a map like Trinity, just place an island somewhere out of the way with three bases and put the towns for each base in the rear of each country where it would be one of the last things captured.

At the airfields, switch the flak guns to AI ack or manned ack, then switch the troops to fuel or ammo bunkers so A20s etc can still up but disable bombers and late war planes.

Anybody like it?
Easy in-game again.
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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2004, 11:34:48 AM »
Hehe  hehehehe   heheheheheheheeheehee

Pardon me a sec.

::wipes tears from eyes::

Whew.  Midnight, you are a riot.  You miss the point entirely.  Again.

If we all hated the MA so much, we just wouldnt fly there, period.  I didnt, for almost a year because it's so easy to get burnt out on the same thing happening every day with the same people doing the same dweebish stuff.  The true gems in there rarely have a chance to shine because they get buried in the dirt.  

Problems with the DA, and even the CT have nothing to do with scores and everything to do with design.  The CT's limited planeset doesnt appeal to everyone, and the DA's design ........... well it just sux.  The field layouts are well suited to dueling, which is why it is named the DUELING ARENA, not something else.  If the arena were redesigned to have one area for dueling, and the little "tank town" down in the corner for the GV guys, and the rest set up in a decent sized map with a few fields for each side evenly spread out, you would see usage of the DA go up markedly.  

What these guys have asked for is not so difficult as redesigning an entire arena, just a small area out of the way where they can indulge in the type of fighting they want, and yet still be part of the community in the MA.  When they get their fill of furballing in the corner, they can hop back over to another base and rejoin the ongoing war without having to change arenas.  The nice thing is you get to "switch gears" and change up your style of fighting every so often and help avoid the burnout that sends many of the good flyers into several months of hibernation.  How many "Ive had enough and I'm leaving" threads have you seen on the BBS in the last few months?

What I'm really curious about is why you have to assume that what is already in place is good enough?  Every negative response to these types of threads is "GO TO THE DA".  Obviously the DA is lacking in something or it would be more utilised as an alternative.  Fact is, it was never intended to be an alternative to the MA or the CT, it was designed for a purpose and it fills that purpose just as the SEA fills its purpose.  

No one has made any suggestions that would negatively impact YOUR style of gameplay, or wants to take anything away from you.  And why shouldnt they have opinions on things that would make the game more enjoyable to them?  Everyone has the right to an opinion, you included.  But that doesnt mean you have to come into this thread and dump on these guys just because you dont agree with what they want.

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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2004, 12:05:25 PM »
Dipstick - I tried to play your film, but I get an error message. I'm using the AH2 film viewer. Here is the error message:



BTW Dip, you do know that .AHF files will compress by about 50% into .ZIP files. Just mentioning - as quite a few people are still lumbered with modem dial-up.

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« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2004, 01:14:37 PM »
Lazs..ur rigth on target..

I would up a vulched field all day...lot more fun the the theses rainbow warrior purse swingers..



The thing as to why we should have a Furball...when its slow..and theses guys like here are milkrunning bases..or porking strats,,we can be at the short distance furball fields..

when soem rook raid msiion starts up ..we can see it..and go up off soem airfiled to defend the hordes coming in..


Being in teh DA you will miss all of this..

I like attaking all kinds,...but again..I dotn liek wasting time grabbing to 20k..to chase a 190 Dorka-Lghey&..or  Runstang for another 50 miles..


And Yes ..I dotn liek flying more then 5 miles for a fight?..Is that so gamey...soem of you are such no skill dweebs hak pukes rainbows

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« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2004, 01:19:57 PM »
Awww BGB I gotta say I miss ya Bud.  Glad your posting more brings a smile and a tear to my eye to see you and Lazs posting again.:D

BTW - How's, where's Urb been I haven't seen him on in eons.  Tell him and the rest of the guys I said hello!!!

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« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2004, 01:24:29 PM »
U are saying that u like the strategist from the congo line to killl em .

in other word u depend also on other typos.

this means when only furball it's getting dull too.

btw
don't place me in any category i have all moods.

i'm not a furballer, nor a strategist.

i just fly alone

sometimes i'm timid sometimes i play it agressive.

i can do both np

i can't help u cannot make up ur SA





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« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2004, 01:47:31 PM »
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What these guys have asked for is not so difficult as redesigning an entire arena, just a small area out of the way where they can indulge in the type of fighting they want, and yet still be part of the community in the MA.


And your laughing at me? This time, they are exactly asking for redesigning an entire arena. They are asking for UNKILLABLE fields in a private / secluded corner of the map. That would mean revising every existing map and adding a design criteria to every new map. That means adding a new object type for the FHs at that field so that that obejct type can be set to indestructable.

And it is you that is missing the point here. Every thing being asked for is requesting that they be able to be SEPERATED from the other parts of the AH community, not interacting with it. These guys don't want to talk to the "bore and zoomers" or the "toolshed killers" or the "strat milkers", they just want to play with each other in their own little corner where no one who plays differently than them can bother them.

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When they get their fill of furballing in the corner, they can hop back over to another base and rejoin the ongoing war without having to change arenas.


Hmm.. again asking for the current arena to be modified when the other arena, the DA is ready for the furball already.

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What I'm really curious about is why you have to assume that what is already in place is good enough?  Every negative response to these types of threads is "GO TO THE DA".  Obviously the DA is lacking in something or it would be more utilised as an alternative.

Fact is, it was never intended to be an alternative to the MA or the CT, it was designed for a purpose and it fills that purpose just as the SEA fills its purpose.


Yeah, it's lacking score and rank, as I have already stated previously in this thread.

Why do you assume the purpose of the DA is for 1-v-1 fights? Do we really need the 12+ fields for that? A 1-v-1 fight is easily accomplished in H2H. The DA is plenty big enough to support a furball environment.

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No one has made any suggestions that would negatively impact YOUR style of gameplay, or wants to take anything away from you.  And why shouldnt they have opinions on things that would make the game more enjoyable to them?  Everyone has the right to an opinion, you included.  But that doesnt mean you have to come into this thread and dump on these guys just because you dont agree with what they want.


I didn't say that this would impact my style of gameplay and it probably wouldn't take anything away from me. And 'they' can have all the opinions that 'they' want, but this repeatedly asking for something that already exists with condradictions throughout the reasoning for it opens them up for ridicule and opposing views. Also, don't think for a second that these same pro-furball activists hesitate to post their opposing opinions in threads requesting more realistic gameplay changes.

These furballers just love to slap each other on the backs (lazs, dipstick and leviathn) while they make up new names (strat-potato, fluffer, bore-and-zoomer, toolshed hunter, etc.) to call the other players in AH and make jokes about how the other players like to fly. As far as I'm concerned, they can take some flak for it.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2004, 01:50:31 PM by Midnight »

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« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2004, 01:58:13 PM »
Let me add Greencloud and Mars into the list of furballers that like to make up names and slap each other on the back.

Nice post BGBMAW. Very articulate. I'm glad Mars was right behind you to congratulate you on your well thought out and civilized interjection into this hostile conversation.

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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2004, 02:07:13 PM »
I doubt HT will give us "unporkable" airbases for a furball area.  

...but, it might be possible to have a remote spawn, from say an airbase near the HQ,  to a strip off somewhere in a corner.  

The base is still capturable, but the resources for the base wouldn't be easily porked.  At least no until the map is about to be reset.

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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2004, 02:09:35 PM »
...also, the whole point of playing a game is to have fun.  

If this adds more fun to the game and keeps us all together, then why not?

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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2004, 02:11:38 PM »
midnight you are missing the point entirely... the way the arena is now you have everything your way... your style... as you say you can come in at 15k in a mustang and pick off people trying to enjopy other forms of gameplay.... you can do it at no risk to yourself and you don't have to spend any time developing any skills.... siply make sure that "mustang" is selected... you probly don't even have views set for any other  plane.

it is about choice... most furballers would spend a lot of time in the furball area but they would also spend time in the other areas when something fun was going on.... heck... we might even grab a mustang on ocassion and go to 20k and force you to fight or die.

It is about community... if you want to shut out some people from the community then you are on the right track.... only cater to those you think should be in the arena but...

face it... the main arena is the community.   everything else is just the extra stuff for those 2% who are really excentric or for a mild diversion for all of us from time to time.

I still don't see what you are so afraid of tho.... heck... you might feel like actually participating in some fun furballing from time to time... my idea would allow you the option.

lazs

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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2004, 02:12:24 PM »
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Midnight,

The biggest reason to fly in the MA, for me, is community.  Even if all of the T&Bs moved to the DA for the porkless furball, it would only be half of the community. – You and I would never have had that cool encounter we had last night and I sure would miss that sort of exchange.
 


I agrre 100% Honch--we are in early war stuff and they are in 51D's--thier tactics were the best choice for that particular fite and I commend them for winning--------my problem is when I come back in a P38--co-alt--one of em turns and runs for a whole sector to his ack.
Why not turn and fite for the sake of "what the heck have I got to lose"