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« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2004, 12:42:58 PM »
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"Again, you do not understand.

Killing anything out of convenience or for fiscally motivated reasons is wrong.

In this country, we unplug machines at the behest of family, allowing nature to take it's course....that's a big difference from a Kavorkian styled injection which kills the patient."

again. I understand perfectly. Can a family in the US force thier insurer to pay 600 000 per year for life to keep a baby alive that is born with out most of its brain? Do your medical plans cover that?
I would doubt that they can.
You think its more humane to allow such a baby to starve to death by not feeding it then to kill it with an injection of some sort.
You deny apperently that such a thing would happen in the US. It happens. Either that or there are 100s or babys pluged into machines for life.
Basically you dont know what your talking about. You make it sound like the Euros are evil because they are being humane, like they are evil for clarifying for thier medical practitioners what the guidlines are so they dont have to play god.

Rude, babys are born with uncurable ailments that will start to kill them the second the conection to the mother is cut. Its not a huge number but it is incurrable and not a quick death. They can breath and their nervous system works but they have no moter control or language or sight- they just exist.  They are born that way in every country to every people of every religios faith and every political party.
And all those groups deal with it the only way they can. You dont let the child starve to death over several weeks. You end its life.

You have to grow up and accept this and that it happens in your country and god fearing republican doctors do it for god fearing republican patients. You would do it. The doctor is not a murderer.  A policy that acknoledges that is not evil.

If the parents in the States were so selfish as to want thier child to stay alive in such a circumstance or would prefer they slowly starved to death then they would be able to do that if they could pay the bill. I am sure that in the Netherlands the same is true.

Hell in the red states you can get tired of having girl kids and have one of them sex changed into a boy as soon as shes born..anything is possible if you have the money.

This happens. It happens in the states, It happens everywhere. The altenative is un acceptable. Welcome to the real world where horrible stuff happens and hard decisions have to be made.

All this hate for Euros is just hillarios.


Interesting how you would lecture me on the real world....you know nothing of me or my life experiences....I've experience more death than you will ever know, so you can save your crap for someone else.

Life is tough....things happen everyday out of our control....you want to put your child down like you would a dog, knock yourself out.

If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that in most cases, the vast majority of incurable illnesses which lead to death cause the human body to turn itself off prior to death....the sufferring you imagine is rare and pain management is not the same as terminating by injection, someone who is sick.

I don't hate anyone....especially you. My country has given liberally to most of the world....I wish we would stop. The return on that investment has been poor as evidenced by yours and others postings on this BBS.

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« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2004, 12:44:29 PM »
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Dohhh ....

In no way it's related to abortion, how come a newborn can be a newborn if it's was "aborted" ?

 

I'm still waiting Rude.


Waiting for what?

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« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2004, 01:26:26 PM »
Rude
What has this got to do with your countries "great" sacrifices for the world? What kind of a wierd desperate twist is that.
The human body might behave like you say. Convienent for you if it always does. But it doenst always. and what do you do then?
I will take this total change of tract from defending your position to whining about how the US isnt loved enougth as admition of the hollowness of your view.

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« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2004, 01:45:31 PM »
In the USA there is a kind of random abortion

it's called

"The right to own and carry a weapon"

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« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2004, 01:48:45 PM »
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In the USA there is a kind of random abortion

it's called

"The right to own and carry a weapon"


lmao

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« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2004, 02:19:57 PM »
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Waiting for what?


A conclusive proof of the horrible behaviour of the European as a whole
Like you wrote here :

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The United States does nothing even close to what is happening in Europe....an empty accusation with no proof.

I'm waiting stone thrower.


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« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2004, 02:33:42 PM »
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In this country, we unplug machines at the behest of family, allowing nature to take it's course....that's a big difference from a Kavorkian styled injection which kills the patient.


Different how? The result is the same, the patient dies.

Consider this:
A mother decides she no longer wants her 6-week-old baby. So she stops feeding it. Unable to feed his self, the infant soon dies. Is this murder?

Dang right it is. Her actions directly led to the death of the baby.

Now … consider a terminally ill patient, unable to move, eat or drink. The family refuses any further treatment, including feeding and hydration. So we pull out the tubes and the patient dies within a week from dehydration.

Why is this “letting nature take it’s course” while the first example isn’t?

The only difference is semantics and how we feel. By letting a terminally ill patient die from dehydration, we can pass the buck. We can nod our head solemnly and say “it’s in God’s (or mother nature’s) hands now.” Of course the reality is that our action will directly cause the patient’s death just as sure as if we had administered an overdose of anesthetic.

If a person with a terminally ill dog let the dog die from dehydration and malnutrition, they could be charged with animal cruelty. Where’s the moral outrage when we do this to people?
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« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2004, 02:34:33 PM »
so it's all about "Suffering"?

no one should "suffer" eh?

ever?

who draws this line on "suffering"?

I always thought suffering was part of life ... all part of your karma journey
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« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2004, 02:36:26 PM »
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Why is this “letting nature take it’s course” while the first example isn’t?



Just a wild guess here, but I'll take a shot.

Because the baby in question is NOT terminally ill and is a fully viable life if given "standard" nutritional child care?

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« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2004, 03:07:48 PM »
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Just a wild guess here, but I'll take a shot.

Because the baby in question is NOT terminally ill and is a fully viable life if given "standard" nutritional child care?

How'd I do?


Thanks for the reply

Extend that logic to the terminally ill patient. Why is it wrong then to provide a lethal injection to a patient that doesn't have a "fully viable life." ?

But it's OK to withold food and water?

Do you see why I'm having problems understanding the consistency here?
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« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2004, 03:19:15 PM »
How soon would you euros pull the plug on Steven Hawkins, or Chris Reeves?

The article also states "retarded" so how about downs syndrome, or autism.

You secularist have gotten yourselves into this "it's not convenient" trap how soon before you start offing the elderly, because they wet themselves and can't feed them selves?
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« Reply #116 on: December 02, 2004, 03:25:46 PM »
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How soon would you euros pull the plug on Steven Hawkins, or Chris Reeves?

The article also states "retarded" so how about downs syndrome, or autism.

You secularist have gotten yourselves into this "it's not convenient" trap how soon before you start offing the elderly, because they wet themselves and can't feed them selves?


Maybe right after we start offing folk with silly black hats?? lmao   joking...

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« Reply #117 on: December 02, 2004, 03:30:31 PM »
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How soon would you euros pull the plug on Steven Hawkins, or Chris Reeves?

The article also states "retarded" so how about downs syndrome, or autism.

You secularist have gotten yourselves into this "it's not convenient" trap how soon before you start offing the elderly, because they wet themselves and can't feed them selves?


FYI Reeves is already dead.

Both Hawkins and Reeves are not newborn.

It's not "retarded" but " the severely mentally retarded"

elderly <> newborn.

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« Reply #118 on: December 02, 2004, 03:52:52 PM »
What is scary is that you will see people agrue for this yet be against the death penalty.... :eek:

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« Reply #119 on: December 02, 2004, 03:58:15 PM »
Its shameful how some people here use such  tragic arguments only as an euro-bash opportunity.
Its enough to make one sick
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