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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2005, 06:56:28 AM »
Hblair, I am a baptist. I dont believe a catholic (or any member of another denomination) is any less of a christian than I am so long as he/she follows the teachings of christ.

I dont have time for anymore typing atm, gotta head to work.
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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2005, 07:42:21 AM »
elfie, what is a baptist?

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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2005, 08:34:11 AM »
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elfie, what is a baptist?

You live in Alabama. You are surrounded by them!
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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2005, 02:19:12 PM »
I'm Roman Catholic, and it pains me terribly to see such hate mongering. I don't understand why people have to be so cruel to one another.


















Someone should just step up and shoot her.

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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2005, 02:56:18 PM »
Baptists are actually recognized as an "almost" religion by the American Catholic church.  In other words, they see us as Christian, but still confused blasphemers lol.

The Baptist church, of which there are several denominations - including Southern Baptist, Free Will Baptist, Reform Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Primitive Baptist, etc. - holds a few views different from the Catholic church, and attempts to go towards the teachings of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ directly, rather than through the teachings of the disciples.  

Main difference (in the view of Baptists) is that we believe in full body immersion Baptizing.  The person makes a public profession of faith in front of the church, is Baptized to symbolize the spritual Baptism of the blood (just as John the Baptist did, and Jesus after him).  We also believe in the innocence of the child, and that only an adult who can understand what they are doing and the consequences of it should come forward.  

The main difference between us and Catholics (in the view of Catholics) is in Communion.  In the Catholic church, when the Priest consecrates the Host and the Wine, they literally become the Body and Blood of Christ.  Baptists (and most Protestants) see them as merely symbolic of the broken body of Christ and his Blood.  It may seem to be splitting hairs to say its a symbol or it truly is, but its like the difference between sleight of hand and true magic.  Many people dont believe in Magic.  To them its all sleight of hand and illusion.  Also, many churches (both Catholic and Protestant) take Communion every Sunday.  Most Baptists observe Communion as a special night-time ceremony in rememberance of the Last Supper (where the whole idea of Communion comes from).  

There are other differences as well, but these are the main ones.

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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2005, 03:15:48 PM »
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Funny thing about all of this. I recall that Christ claimed only to be a Jew.


yeah he were somehow confused, thats why Muhammad had to come :D

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« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2005, 03:37:53 PM »
Catholics can't be pagen cuz they won't let me in Church with my goat leggings on.

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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2005, 05:21:55 PM »
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Your view, got a history teacher telling me this...

She's also talking about the Crusades which happend pre-Renissance, in which that is the time period we are suppose to look over, granted it was only 200-250 years, but when you come to the fact of re-birth the Crusades, paid some part, not all.


A history teacher telling you that Catholics are not Christians? Now I see why we where getting Morons fresh from Graduation in Boot Camp.

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« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2005, 06:02:48 PM »
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The Baptist church, of which there are several denominations - including Southern Baptist, Free Will Baptist, Reform Baptist, Missionary Baptist, Primitive Baptist, etc. - holds a few views different from the Catholic church, and attempts to go towards the teachings of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ directly, rather than through the teachings of the disciples.  



Of the ten or so conversions found in the new testament, which ones became baptists and which ones became catholics, and the ones that became baptists, how many were southern baptists? do you become a baptist when you become a christian or does that happen later?

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« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2005, 06:09:50 PM »
hblair I attend a Baptist church, so I consider my self a baptist. Same as someone who attends a Catholic church considers themselves Catholic :). The church we attend, we attend because we believe it's where God wants us to attend.

I do agree with your first post.
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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2005, 07:24:25 PM »
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Gimme a break.

You think they have different lines up to heaven?

"no sorry, you are in the Catholic line...wait your turn.."

"Protestants up front...dont shove...dont shove.."

Hawklore dont worry about what people say in this life, you will find out how it works eventually.


Yes, I know.. but it's so fun to show people that who belive their way is the only way that their wrong..
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« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2005, 07:25:25 PM »
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I thought you were home schooled?  Shouldn't teacher be replaced with Mom?


I go to a co-op...

For socialization..:rolleyes: :aok
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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2005, 07:34:38 PM »
I appreciate it guys,

All of your information has been filed through...

And some may even make it to the step stones of arguing against this so called Christian women, who claims her self to be a Christian, yet refuses to seek the truth.


I appreciate yall kept this one as clean as Flight Sim possible..

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Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life." - Chief Tecumseh

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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2005, 07:50:44 PM »
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Of the ten or so conversions found in the new testament, which ones became baptists and which ones became catholics, and the ones that became baptists, how many were southern baptists? do you become a baptist when you become a christian or does that happen later?


Baptists basically believe that before Christians had true organization, they were all "Baptists", although the term was not used back then.  The Welsh Baptists record a visit from Paul in about 64 AD and also record men who were taken prisoner to Rome during the reign of the Emperor Tiberius, who returned to preach the gospel.  Baptists, therefore, also claim a direct link to the teachings of the Apostles.  

The first organized churches to call themselves by that name appeared in the early 1600s after fleeing from England to Amsterdam, running from the separatists.  They wanted to 'reconstitute', and not just reform the church.  Most were British, influenced and led by John Smyth and Thomas Helwys.  When they returned to England, they were differentiated by their unique name "Baptists", so called because of their style of immersion.  Baptists heavily influenced those setting out to colonize the Americas, and were very influential in the forming of America in the 17th century.  They have been here ever since.  

They believe strongly that the Bible is the first and last word in all things.  That even though it was written by men, they were divinely inspired and the scripture is always right.  They believe in "individual priesthood", meaning that each individual can recieve the blessing of forgivness of sin directly from God through Jesus, and that the intercession of Priests was done away with.  They also believe the only "institutions" left by Christ for us to carry on were Baptism of believers and Communion (rememberance of the Lord's Supper).

Southern Baptists are members of the Southern Baptist Convention, mostly in southern states (hence the name).  

If you like, you can read the Baptist Faith and Message (on the SBC website).  About halfway down the page you will find the views on Baptism, and just about anything else you would like to know about Baptists.  I myself was raised Southern Baptist, and although many of my views have undergone changes as I grow older, I still hold with enough of their beliefs that I still consider myself Baptist.  

Here is the link:

http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp

I'm not saying they have it all right, and I dont endorse the Baptist version of the Christian faith over any other denomination.  My own life experience has lead me to the belief that most of the requirements you find in organized Religion are made from the rules of men, and that God's requirements are much simpler.  I'm simply offering you the link as a peek into the world of Baptists.



I'd also like to include this.  This statement pretty much sums up what it means in simple terms to be Baptist, rather that any other form of Christianity (as a frame of reference, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Baptist minister, although his studies and his faith took him in other directions as well).

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What makes us different from the others can be easily discussed by considering the Baptist Distinctives. These 'distinctives' are those beliefs and practices that establish the unique character of the New Testament faith, setting it apart as 'distinct' from any and all other faiths or systems of belief of religious thought.

These distinctives are easily remembered using the acrostic BRAPSISS... and here is a breakdown for us to better understand:


1. Bible, the only rule of faith and practice.

2. Regenerate, immersed church membership.

3. Autonomy and independence of the Local Church

4. Priesthood of the believer

5. Soul Liberty.

6. Immersion of believers and the Lord's Supper... the only two ordinances.

7. Separation of Church and State

8. Separation, ethical and ecclesiastical.

These distinctives in faith and practice have set those who have become known as Baptists (and their forefathers) as being distinct from all other forms of religion, including Catholics and Protestants. Our Baptist forefathers have held to the above noted distinctives since the time of Christ creating an unbroken "trail of Truth" from that day till this one.

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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2005, 09:03:27 PM »
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hblair I attend a Baptist church, so I consider my self a baptist. Same as someone who attends a Catholic church considers themselves Catholic :). The church we attend, we attend because we believe it's where God wants us to attend.


I appreciate your honesty elfie. To drive my point home, forget all things religious you've been taught or heard or whatever your entire life and answer this, Do you believe the bible is the inspired written word of God? If you do, Is the Bible all one would need to become a Christian? It says it is. Jesus' parable of the sower and the seed in matthew chapter 13 deals directly with this. read the parable then read verse 23. theres no getting around the fact that the word has the power to save. not what we believe in our hearts. not what some preacher tells people on sunday as the congregation blindly believes any old doctrine because the preacher said it was so. it's up to us to KNOW what the bible says on things and to go that way.

having said all that, there is no reference to there being different ways to heaven in the church. Was paul tolerant of people going their own way with their doctrine? Think about this.

Paul actually  spent much time and energy trying to get all the churches (churches being the same church in different locales) on the same page.

If we were alive in 60 AD and hblair and elfie decided to start us up a "baptist" church because we believed a little different than others and we were teaching that baptism was an outward sign of obedience instead of it being for the remission of sins like luke-(an apostle of Jesus Christ, who in fact knew Jesus Christ personally) tells us in acts 2:38, and acts 22:16. If Paul heard about our church, do you think he'd want to come worship with us or would he write an epistle admonishing us for straying from the truth? that's a serious question.

we have to put ourselves in the first century. Because that's where we are. nothings changed in the church in these 2000 years. only man. doctrines of man mean nothing. they are mans way of fouling up what God gave us. the one true church.