HTC should hire programmers...

[GRUNHERZ]

That screenshot is nothing special, AH is clearly better...

[HugeHead]

With all due resepect spitfire you are over simplifying. It's just not that pat in the dev biz. AH must roll their collective eyes when they see a thread such as this.

Eye candy most certainly does not retain players. The quality of game play does. If eye candy was the prime issue we'd all be playing massive multiplayer MYST.

hh

[spitfiremkv]

umm yeah right

why don't you read the review, which includes system requirements and more screenshots.

I don't expect that kind of quality, after all,  that game had one of a kind graphics, but it shows that a lot of games today, AH2 included , are resource hogs.

[Furious]

How much net code is that game running?

[HugeHead]

Ummm yeah right what?

Were you replying to my statement?

Personally I don't want to debate resource management. I simply point out based on experience that you are over simplifying when you toss around comments such as "hire more programmers or buy an off the shelf (so to speak) graphics engine". It's no where near that cut and dry my friend. I suggest you consider reading up on what it takes to build and maintain a project such as this. I've worked in the gaming industry so I'm speaking from some experience.

I've seen posts almost identical to this thread in just about every online game I've ever played...screenshot included. If it were that easy to satisfy everyone they'd do it.

Been playing online games since about 94 and IMHO the two things then retain players are quality of game play and quality of gaming community within that game. Nobody plays strip poker with their mother in law after all

hh

[palef]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
I just showed you screenshots from a graphics engine developed 7 years ago.
Maybe HTC should have licensed a graphics engine from another firm, thus freeing up their resources for gameplay and multiplayer issues.

If you don't like it, just go away.

In keeping with most of the "personalities" I've met in IL2, you're desperately charming aren't you? Eye candy is a minor part of the story. There's plenty of other eye candy products you can play with.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
umm yeah right

why don't you read the review, which includes system requirements and more screenshots.
 

I restate my opinion, those screenshots suck - very old graphics technology and using that engine for AH2 would be dumb.

Now comes the vital point spitfire, many have nicely told and explained to you why your statements are in error and oversimplified, what will you do now?

[DipStick]

{sarcasm}

Obviously... HTC can consider this after they hire this genious as a consultant since he knows what is best for them.

{/sarcasm}

[Elfie]

Nobody plays strip poker with their mother in law after all

Says who?

[Gixer]

I'm looking forward to see what they come out with as well in the next patch. Problem for AH2 today and since Beta is that it still looks like AH1 but with a few extra flares and graphic effects. True the planes look good but the rest is terrible, take the recent water update. Not only does it look bad but it runs at 5fps on a high end machine and is better switched off.

AH2 I was expecting a new graphics engine, problem is that at the core it's still the same 7year old plus CPU dependent AH1 engine which was showing it's age back in 01 let alone 05.

The argument that you can't expect boxed graphics with a online graphics might of stood a few years ago but not today. I don't expect the graphcis of a boxed sim but I do expect better graphics then a boxed sim of 7 years ago. True gameplay (the MA?) is more important then eye candy, but it's the graphics that make the environment and help create the immersion for the sim.

Think for alot of people the only thing keeping them in is their squad and squadmates, that's what did it for me over graphics and gameplay but that only goes so far.



...-Gixer

[crims]

Good thing Im Here for Fun and Flying. Not Eye Candy. Can you play this Game with others >? Or do you just Stay at Home and Play By yourself:eek: Oh well good thing I don't care:aok





Crims
479th Raiders

AH2 Still $14.95 a month:aok

[Rolex]

Deja vu... all over again.

AH is not a boxed set.
AH must be easy to d/l to attract customers.
AH is mmog.
AH FM is world-class.
HTC upgrades and fixes bugs.
HTC supports customers.
AHII is in constant development.
New cockpits and externals are in development.
HTC tolerates an awful lot on this BBS.

One of the interesting and admirable things about HTC is their dedication to their product. This and every game has a natural atttrition and people naturally burn out on a game.

The same is also true for programmers and graphic people. The people working on almost every other game come and go as contract help, or get burned out and look for new challenges.

Look at almost any boxed game as an example. It is simply a project where, "Hey, this is good enough so lets just get it finished and out the door,' is the attitude. The bugs and exploits are never fixed.

The game may not be perfect in everyone's eyes, but the HTC crew display rare professionalism and dedication to their product.

This game offers an awful lot of entertainment, frustration, thrills, challenges and anger for about the cost of one pizza per month.  

[JB73]

i think many are forgetting AH is a Downloadable game.

not a 700MB compressed CDROM boxed game.

there are comprimises to be made for accessibility.

if i want the graphics of Doom3 i get the 3 CD's (over 2100MB compressed) and install it.

you want to DL 2 GB to play a game?

[MANDO]

IMO, the way current AH1 and AH2 have tried to improve eyecandy is wrong in some very important aspects.

We are getting more and more detailed planes, many more polys , hi-res textures in exchange of what? less fps, same or even worse exterior looking from the usual combat distances.

Lets take lancasters or B24 as example. You look at there very closely and they are nice, but what do you see from 400 yards while firing at them?

Several old sims reached a much better eye-candy than AH with many less polygons per plane and low-res textures. IMO, increasing the number of polygons is not the way to go, no one fights the other plane at 10 yards and admiring how accurately is modeled the enemy.

With the proper light management you may get a superb eye-candy sim. But our light is poor, very poor. Our contrasts are almost non-existant. Our Sun is there only to blind us.

IL2 has a really nice light management. Its planes does not have more polys than AH. Its textures are not hi-res, but it looks far far better. Why? LIGHT, LIGHT and LIGHT.

[thebest1]

Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Let's face it: for the system the game demands to run smoothly, the graphics suck big time.
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of  JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.





 review with screenshot

once again, this game was released 7 years ago .

go play that then instead of bad-mouthing the most realistic flight sim yet.  People are never happy "These graphics suck" If you learn to play the game graphics dont matter.  I dont care if that games been out for 20 years, dont be telling HTC what to do because obviously you dont know how to program or how hard it is.



- im spent