how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[JB88]

so iraq.

we did it anyway.

and heres what we did.

we alienated a good portion of the worlds good will by doing a great impersonation of everything that we ever hated about the bloody soviets.
(you remember what happened to them  in afghanistan dont you?)

we swaggered in there claiming that the time was up, when in reality, in my opinion, had we had better leadership we could have easilly formed a coalition worth its salt.

we got mired up in a culture and a cultures problems without the will of those people to act on thier own in tandem.

we showed the world that we wont be satisfied until we are the big dog on the block and everyone else had better get used to it.

we spread our forces dangerously thin,
something that means something when you have an all volunteer army and only 5% of the worlds population behind you.

we increased our national spending by exhorbitatant amounts and have placed a massive debtload on either our children or our middle class.

we have incurred casualties which are increasing by the month.

we have lost the respect of those who looked to us as champions of freedom and fairness by dismissing the geneva convention.  does anyone remember torture being an issue in the first gulf war?  

this certainly doesnt help the iraqis to feel good does it?

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[patrone]

can I comment on Ladas post?

[JB88]

Originally posted by patrone
can I comment on Ladas post?

by all means.  hope you dont mind if i keep ranting though.


actually, a pause.  

brief lunch.

[patrone]

Originally posted by lada


Us doesnt respect international court in Haag

Thats BS Lada and you know it. Yesterday, USA thretned Bosnia Serbs to co-operated with it, on behalf of UN.

I say they respect it, but only as long as they do not have to follow it and have never actully signed any papers, suporting it.
Yet, they can force others to do so.

There is only one State only, in history that have been branded "terrorist-state" by International court of law....................

Have a free guess boys

A hint, it had something with Nicaragua to do

[JB88]

there are alot of americans, it seems, who have taken this attitude of defense.

the world is out to get us.  screw em.

why?  just because we got bombed by some wackos?

i just dont believe it.  i think that the world wants more from us.  wants us to be what we promised.

and i dont think that you can look at the situation without looking at the cause either.  america has been mucking about in everyones foreign affairs for years, from  secretly sponsoring coup d' etat to outright sanctioning it.

from claiming to be for the little guy, to outright ignoring him.  

from extending a hand of friendship to extending a fist of design.

no.  this is not the america that i know.

and it isnt the one we are giving the iraqi people.

we are better than this.

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[JB88]

so what am i saying?

well, ive ranted.  and i suppose that most of it is true, and some of it is probably argueable.

but this is what i think isnt.

somewhere in our hearts we know that iraq was a bridge to far.  the heart wasnt in it.

that it wasnt about freedom, it was about payback.

and some would say oil.

but thats not america.

and i think that this is so because my schoolbooks told me so.  the same ones that all of my fellow americans read.

the ones that told us we were noble.

that we are mutts.

that we have struggled through a pioneering adventure with all of the dangers that accompany something new.
i suppose we could turn our backs on it.

we could say, well, that was yesterday.

we could forget it.

our rights our liberties our sense of duty.

we could be angry for the rest of our lives that one stupid set of bombers got through to the base or we can fight to maintain our composure.

we could don our frowns forever...paradise lost...

or....

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[JB88]

we can look at it honestly.

assess it.

ask for help where its needed.  offer some to those who will.

make it better.

not for profit.

but just freaking BECAUSE.

not through our president, but through us.

we are NOT the sum of his parts, any more than we were of clinton or carter.

but we are the sum of ours.

and if we cant be that.

if we cant smile again,
laugh again,
be free again.

then fuggit.

iraq is going to remain the most fluffied up mess ever was.

[JB88]

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[DREDIOCK]

Skuzzy lock this thread already please.

The whole thing in its entirety is nothing more then one long troll

[Muckmaw1]

Can I have those 15 mINutes of my life back?

[lazs2]

my opinion?  besides thinking you are wound too tight...

We have no friends in the middle east except for the jews.   All those scumbag countries were and are breeding grounds for terrorists and they were finally exporting thier bizzare form of the terrorist religion to the U.S.

so... slap em down... that's all they understand... pick one, they are all bad.  the sadman had his neck stuck way out there.... just begging us.... daring us... to whack it off.

He also was one of the smarter wealthier ones with a history of very sophisticated weapons programs and was really courting our so called "allies"..

so we picked him.   We had a good excuse... He wouldn't comply with the "sanmctions" not that we knew he had WMD... he defied the world.  

Good enough excuse to shut that madman down and show the rest of the middle east that if they stuck their neck out we would whack it off too.

and that is probly all there is to it.

lazs

[lada]

Originally posted by patrone
Thats BS Lada and you know it. Yesterday, USA thretned Bosnia Serbs to co-operated with it, on behalf of UN.

I say they respect it, but only as long as they do not have to follow it and have never actully signed any papers, suporting it.
Yet, they can force others to do so.

There is only one State only, in history that have been branded "terrorist-state" by International court of law....................

Have a free guess boys

A hint, it had something with Nicaragua to do

yup i agree, you formulation is so far better that my.

Nicaragua ?? ... ummm .. it had to be China

[lada]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Skuzzy lock this thread already please.

The whole thing in its entirety is nothing more then one long troll

Father father.... please beat that ugly boy he has nicer t-shirt !!!!!

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa

[lada]

JB88 thx for sharing your troughs, i will try to make some more comments later.




personal question:
Do you travell a lot ?

[patrone]

Originally posted by lada

Nicaragua ?? ... ummm .. it had to be China

No, thats wrong, sorry Lada. It was a good guess, dont feel discuraged........

Anyone else wants to guess or shall I let Lada have another try?