how iraq was, is, and shall continue to be a total f - up

[midnight Target]

After a good stream it is best to flush.

[JB88]

you know what my greatest fear was when i started to see what was happening?  that i might actually become a dissident in my own country.  

the land of the free, the home of the brave.  

that country.

the one with baseball and apple pie.

i never really to 1984 all that seriously.

but i watched as the machine kicked in.

as osama fell to the side and the oil field came into sight.

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[JB88]

Originally posted by midnight Target
After a good stream it is best to flush.

noted.  flush.

[JB88]

why is it that the united states of america...the land that i grew up in which fed me this stuff as if it were comfort food,
would have lost what was it 17 casualties in somalia and backed out?  

werent we there to liberate those people from thier warlords?

and what of the sudan?  genocide there.  worse than saddam and usay and qusay could have even fantasized about.

the killing fields, the hutus and the tutsies.

slaughters.  

no rights whatsoever.  nothing.

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[JB88]

we stood tall against the soviets and yet we cant stand tall enough to loudly protest a president who makes people sign loyalty oaths to attend his rallies.

are americans a people of fear?  really?

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[JB88]

are we sheep?

[Rude]

Originally posted by Fishu
Then I guess CIA is totally unfit to their role, since they couldn't come up with anything else, but lots of talk about WMD.

One thing learned by our war in Iraq.....Most of Europe is not our ally and never was....the UN is corrupt and without a spine and lastly, it shook out the spineless on this board as well.

Do you piss and moan on euro boards as well, or do you just save it all up for our edification?

Remember this.....as hard as you try, as important as you may feel your opinion to be and as superior as you may feel to the rest of us and the United States, you're still insignificant and your opinion means dit!

Ya see my little euro elitest....this country does what it feels is necessary to protect itself and it's interests, including saving most of europes bellybutton in the process. Always right....nope....always sensitive to others feelings....nope....willing to do what it takes to secure our safety and freedom from those who would compromise it....damn straight.

Sorry you cannot stomach that and sorry I don't give a crap either....if I were as well rounded of a world citizen as you and yours are, it might be different.

Me, I'm just a handsomehunk American....can't help it, so it's best you move along and learn to deal with it....hopefully with the ignore function of this BBS, because I will never take a pinch from a hateful little **** like yourself. If you had any character, you would have insisted that the UN help us help the Iraqi's, even if it were not by the design you would have chosen yourself.

Have a nice day pinhead!

[lada]

Originally posted by JB88
are ya with me so far?

i disagree on one thing hold on

[JB88]

and if we buy into the iraqi war so much, why arent we sending our extras over there?

why arent we seeing people talking about these great social reforms that we are putting in place over there?

why arent we inviting them to our schools?  exchanging cultures,  building a great society.

we did it for japan.

we did it for germany.

is the american soul of compassion dead or have we simply resigned ourselves to saying...aw screw it.

make em like us.  

break em like us.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lada
i disagree on one thing hold on

k.  go ahead lada.

[JB88]

get back to me.

see the thing is.  america isnt supposed to be about making other countries be like us.

america is about making other countries want to strive to be like us.

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[lada]

Originally posted by JB88
now.

there are three things that i believe set americans and/or western democracies in general apart from 3rd world societies.

a.  we do not believe in kings.

b.  we believe in the universal right of law extended to all people.  (if only in theory in some unfortunate cases)

c.  free media and free speech.

I do not agree on point A.

US had very good relation ships with ME`s kingdoms and they try to benefit from that as much as possible.

Why do i think ?
1. When Iranian republic colapsed, US didnt give a watermelon and supported new King.. later on king become US`s b|tch so revolution occured.

2. Saudi Arabia. This country is ruled by one family, w/o so long that i realy dont know who ruled before them.
SA is considered to by ally of US in the ME... however US never ever pushed for regime change in SA

3. Another "proamerican" country in ME is Pakistan.  Pakistan is ruled by Dictator.

4. We beeter do not speak about former US friend SH (another dictatorship supported by US)


I do not think that US doesn belive in kingdoms, because US widely cooperate with them for several decades w/o any serious push for transforming them.

Or am i wrong ?


I do not agree on point B as well.

Us doesnt respect international court in Haag, US claimed that acts of their soldiers do not belong under haag`s court.

So basilacy no... US doesnt belive in one universal right for all people.


hawk

[lada]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe one big post would be better.. unless of course you like talking to yourself.

i like it this way.. its more confortable to respond.

[JB88]

Originally posted by lada
I do not agree on point A.

US had very good relation ships with ME`s kingdoms and they try to benefit from that as much as possible.

Why do i think ?
1. When Iranian republic colapsed, US didnt give a watermelon and supported new King.. later on king become US`s b|tch so revolution occured.

2. Saudi Arabia. This country is ruled by one family, w/o so long that i realy dont know who ruled before them.
SA is considered to by ally of US in the ME... however US never ever pushed for regime change in SA

3. Another "proamerican" country in ME is Pakistan.  Pakistan is ruled by Dictator.

4. We beeter do not speak about former US friend SH (another dictatorship supported by US)


I do not think that US doesn belive in kingdoms, because US widely cooperate with them for several decades w/o any serious push for transforming them.

Or am i wrong ?


I do not agree on point B as well.

Us doesnt respect international court in Haag, US claimed that acts of their soldiers do not belong under haag`s court.

So basilacy no... US doesnt belive in one universal right for all people.


hawk

great point!  but thats just it isnt it?  we dont mind the fact that the saudis dont even have a vote.  yet we claim that we are bringing the vote to the downtrodden iraqis.

i mean that americans dont believe in having a king.  nor figurheads of that nature either.  god help me if gw puts a wreath on his head and proclaims
himself emperor.

in essence, i am speaking of our own societal values.  or at least the standard which we have set for ourselves.

[lada]

Originally posted by JB88
we were attacked by militant muslims
 

IMO

You were attack by people who were claimed to be an muslim (im not sure if they  claimed themself to be a muslim or somebody else did)


I do not think that religion is important. IMO their motivation and history is more important that fact how often they  pray.

Denying political meaning of "terrorist attacks" and hiding them behind religion is just poor try to keep "attacked" in darkness and part of "we are poor vicims" way of thinking, whitch is good for pushing big  political decisions.
viz. Goering
viz. IRA