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[Crumpp]

Ah, national ridicule.  

Works for you?!?  You have no problem misrepresenting the facts about my country!

There is no deception Gscholtz.  I have listed sources with each claim.  It's truth, albeit an unpalatable one to most Norweigens.

That was my reply to Cobra, and it was accurate to the letter.

It was hardly accurate Gscholtz as the facts have shown.  Norway was a minor campaign at best.  Once the short bout of fighting was finished the Norwegien population for the most part embraced the Germans and settled rather comfortably in their roles as subjects.  

Only a small percentage joined the resistance.  An even larger number joined the German Army!

like how the OSS practically liberated Norway.

Here is a great example Gscholtz!  I said that OSS agents were involved in the early days of SOE operations in Norway against the Heavy Water plants.  That was a true statement.



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It's funny that I have used nothing but the truth in this thread.  It's just the truth from another point of view.  

You Europeans don't seem to like having your countries history attacked.  My question is why do you do it to the US?

Pastrone...

You quote somebodies BLOG!!  Great source!

http://headheeb.blogmosis.com/

Crumpp

[Staga]

Crump; Would you say Simon Wiesenthal Center is credible source? You know that organization?

The countries of northern Europe tried to remain neutral. The fate of the Jews depended upon the country's degree of autonomy and its citizens' determination to rescue Jews. Denmark and Finland rejected German anti-Jewish orders and saved their Jews. In Norway, which was subject to direct German authority, about 50, (900), of its Jews were killed.

[rabbidrabbit]

and all this has what to do with the subject?  Can't you guys take this to your own thread?

[airguard]

Norway was indeed a minore campain, but the resistance in norway was good.
What you say about people embracing the Germans is pretty sick.
hehe this gets dumber to worst of historian knowledge.

[Crumpp]

Crump; Would you say Simon Wiesenthal Center is credible source? You know that organization?

Post the link.  

Race issues were sources of particular concern: the Finns were not viewed favorably by the Nazi race theorists. By active participation on Germany's side, Finnish leaders hoped for a more independent position in post-war Europe, through the removal of the Soviet threat and the incorporation of the akin Finnic peoples of neighbouring Soviet areas. This view gained increasing popularity in the Finnish leadership, and also in the press, during the spring 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War#Diplomatic_Activities

About 25% of the men got some form of decoration. No one was awarded the Knight's Cross or the German Cross during their service before the disbandment. Two men received the Iron Crosse and in addition, their names were mentioned in the bulletin "Ehrenblatt des Deutschen Heeres". They receieved diplomas signed by Adolf Hitler as well. After the disbandment in July 1943, some men continued service in the SS. It seems that at least one of them, Obersturmfuehrer Ulf-Ola Olin, received some form of higher decoration.

I would say the Finns fought for Hitler with zest.

http://www.feldgrau.com/finland.html

Crumpp

[airguard]

Well one thing is Norway but Finland had to choose from one bad or another.
Germany or The Soviet Union.

The choosed too fight against their huge neigbour wich was no less in madness than Germany, please dont use that against them now. That is just cruel and not fair, 10 years after the worldwar there was nothing more NATO wanted than getting finland in, but to late.
So basicly under the cold war the NATO wanted Finland in, but could not.
WW2 was lost for Finland and it dont matter who they woulda joined, it was lost from day one because of the huge red Soviet Union right beside them. And for the sorry bellybutton help they got vs them (just norway and sweden tried to help out) the rest of the world was sitting wathcing and waiting. that was in winter 1939/1940.

[Crumpp]

What you say about people embracing the Germans is pretty sick.

No it's the truth. In most occupied countries there were more that supported or just sat on the sidelines than those that resisted.  There are a few notable exceptions like Greece or in the case of the Holocaust, Denmark.

Gscholtz made the claim about a American SS battalion.  Please provide the link and back up your ridiculus claim.

Lets check out a truely sick statement:

Staga says:
Oh, you mean thoose CIA produced snuff videos? Hate to tell you this NUKE: they are not for real, sorry.

Sometimes the truth can be hard to swallow.

As some citizens of Finland and Norway learn.

Crumpp

[Crumpp]

Well one thing is Norway but Finland had to choose from one bad or another.

Guess England had to choose between Germany and destruction.

Your correct that Finland had some tough choices to make.  I am sure it was comforting to the Jews being packed off to concentration camps that it was all in the name of Finlands independance.

Crumpp

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Gscholtz made the claim about a American SS battalion.  Please provide the link and back up your ridiculus claim.

No, he made the historically accurate claim that expatriot Germans from many countries, (some born abroad) returned to Germany to fight for the Fatherland. US, Canada, Argentina... lots of countries had ethnic Germans heed the Fuhrer's call.

[Crumpp]

This is not a very popular part of history and thus it has been largely forgotten, but during the late 1930s Hitler called for all ethnic Germans to return to the fatherland. Many German-Americans answered the call. If you have read Band of Brothers (or seen the TV series) you'll remember one of their German POWs was from New York (IIRC).
Also the Britische Freikorps , also know as the Legion of St. George, is not something you'll find in many British history books.

The implication is that organized units comprised of AMERICAN's fought for the Germans.  

A huge difference from ethnic Germans returning to Germany in the 30's.

Crumpp

[Staga]

Lets check out a truely sick statement:

    Staga says:
    Oh, you mean thoose CIA produced snuff videos? Hate to tell you this NUKE: they are not for real, sorry.

Crump why are you intentionally lying? That's something I haven't ever said.

Oh and Wiesenthal Center's addy is http://www.wiesenthal.com
If you really want to know about Jews in Finland during WW2 do some researching yourself (you know what researching means?).
Sorry man but you're a fool; Take care and don't let that ruin your day

[Crumpp]

That's something I haven't ever said.

No it was Patrone...

Nice link to the center.  Now how about to the claims you say they are making?

Crumpp

[Staga]

Originally posted by Crumpp
Guess England had to choose between Germany and destruction.

Your correct that Finland had some tough choices to make.  I am sure it was comforting to the Jews being packed off to concentration camps that it was all in the name of Finlands independance.

Crumpp

Just wanted to save this gem

[Staga]

Originally posted by Crumpp
No it was your fellow countryman Patrone...

Same thing right then???

Crumpp

You truly are an idiot

[patrone]

Originally posted by Crumpp
The implication is that organized units comprised of AMERICAN's fought for the Germans.  
A huge difference from ethnic Germans returning to Germany in the 30's.

Where do you guys all come from then? From eggs in the desert?

"Ethnic Germans"? I see, now all of a sudden, they where not "Americans" but "Ethnic Germans".......

Ok, I will call GRUN: "Ethnic Serb" from now on....

And Staga, that was my statement, about the CIA snuffvideos.

And crumpp, I am not Finish, I am Swedish.......We are not countrymen.