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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2005, 08:41:50 PM »
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Sorry, the France is in as funding member, IRC: Theran 1943?




LOL. France was not a sovereign nation in 1943. Do you have any clue at all as to why France was GRANTED a permanent seat in the UN?

France was not a world power......they were not even a sovereign nation.

Russia, USA, Britain were the rightful permanent members. China was considered above France.
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« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2005, 08:43:06 PM »
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Nuke

I repeat, come back when you sober up..ok?


I'll take that as a "I can't answer your question without looking like an imbecile"
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« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2005, 08:47:34 PM »
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Sorry, the France is in as funding member, IRC: Theran 1943?

But, why would there have to be permanent members at all? Couldnt all 15 states be "changed" during a 4 years period?

And add, that only member of SC would be from countries with legaly elected goverments.


Ohh so it's OK to imagine an SC without founding member USA but not without the great glory of France...

BTW I really had no clue that Vichy sent reps to Tehran...
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« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2005, 08:54:05 PM »
Isn't it odd that defeated France, who relied on the US, Britain, Russia and our allies to restore their nation, was considered a "world power" and thus deserved a permanent SC seat?

By those standards, Germany should have been a permanent SC council member. Germany was certainly more of a world power than France.

And both Germany and France had new, democratic governments.

Vichy France and Nazi Germany where replaced by democratic governments, thanks to the allies. Why was Germany not placed on the SC council?

France did not ever deserve a seat.
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« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2005, 08:56:14 PM »
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Ohh so it's OK to imagine an SC without founding member USA but not without the great glory of France...

BTW I really had no clue that Vichy sent reps to Tehran...



First of all: I didnt sugest USA out of the UN, I said it was a good idea, if the people of America really thought this way.
You have to jump NUKE, sorry.......

But I am also sure you guys would never want to ride bicycles.
SO, its just a useless thought to think you ever would leave SC willingly, for the benifit of the rest of the world.

And the ideal SC, would be without any "veto" nations, permanent members.

And I put a "?" after tehran 1943

But France was in SC from start, for sure.
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« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2005, 08:59:41 PM »
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First of all: I didnt sugest USA out of the UN, I said it was a good idea, if the people of America really thought this way.
You have to jump NUKE, sorry.......



Yeah, all you said was that you agreed that the US should be out of the UN and that the SC would be better off without the US.

You said the with the US off of the SC, the UN would inpsect nations wothout the US veto.

You still have not answered how the UN would force inspections on countries like Iran, China, N. Korea, Israel, or any other nation.
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« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2005, 09:00:37 PM »
Crabbo, come back when you have an intelect.
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« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2005, 09:01:18 PM »
Don't do it till we have things under control in Iraq.
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« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2005, 09:01:33 PM »
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But I am also sure you guys would never want to ride bicycles.
 


You mean like Lance Armstrong?
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« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2005, 09:04:35 PM »
As questions been raised by the "grey mass" about France and its defeat.

France stood up together with England from the very Start of WWII. The only reason England got away, not being invaded, was because of the geographic position: Being an Island.

(And because Churchills hate to Communism, Hitler was really naive to think he could have separate peace with England.)

Where was WW I fought?

Who took the largest risk declearing a war on its very neighbour?
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« Reply #100 on: January 17, 2005, 09:07:57 PM »
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As questions been raised by the "grey mass" about France and its defeat.

France stood up together with England from the very Start of WWII.


No they didn't. They had years of warnings and ignored them all.

France stood up to Germany in what way? They were steamrolled by Germany. What choice did France have? France ignorned the threat of Germany until they were steamrolled by Germany.

Your mentality is exactly the same.

Patrone, come back when you are sober...okay?
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« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2005, 09:14:29 PM »
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My stance on attacking Iran is clear and well known to most here, but what do you guys think about this?


Two questions please!

Have you ever received any money from the government of the United States of America?

Would you please show your stance on attacking Iran?

Thank you.
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« Reply #102 on: January 17, 2005, 09:15:11 PM »
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No they didn't. They had years of warnings and ignored them all.

France stood up to Germany in what way? They were steamrolled by Germany. What choice did France have? France ignorned the threat of Germany until they were steamrolled by Germany.

Your mentality is exactly the same.



And you are telling me to come back when I have an intellect?

USA was the one having no choice. War was decleared on you before you started to fight the Germans.

France, decleared war on Germany after they Invaded Poland 1939. With risk to bring war to their own soil. Where was the USA then?

 And who was the guy stating "peace in our time"? after a meeting with Hitler? He was not French, thats for sure....

Now, sober up, boy
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« Reply #103 on: January 17, 2005, 09:16:30 PM »
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Two questions please!

Have you ever received any money from the government of the United States of America?

Would you please show your stance on attacking Iran?

Thank you.


What??
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« Reply #104 on: January 17, 2005, 09:19:43 PM »
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What??



Someone else missunderstood that sentence, just like me, GRUN.
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