China/Taiwan

[Raubvogel]

Raider123489738257 you seem to think that I'm referring to a nuclear war.....I'm not. I'm speaking strictly conventional.

Fishu- Again, you are comparing a guerilla campaign to a conventionally fought war.

All my comments are based on a strictly conventional vs. conventional conflict.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
Fishu- Again, you are comparing a guerilla campaign to a conventionally fought war.

All my comments are based on a strictly conventional vs. conventional conflict.

Because it will be part of the conventional war.
Are you familiar with the war between germans and russians in world war 2?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
Raider123489738257 you seem to think that I'm referring to a nuclear war.....I'm not. I'm speaking strictly conventional.


All my comments are based on a strictly conventional vs. conventional conflict.

radkhgana;djn

1) I said nothing of the sort. I said modern chinese subs could decimate a carrier group. What I did say is for you to tell us how we would just steam roll the chinese. Which you did not.

2)You obviously think the chinese are living in the 12th century.

[lada]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Let's be honest here, an invasion of China, if it ever came to that prolly wouldnt be an Iraq style democratization type limited war where our forces are trying very hard to kill as few as possible...

umm yeah there is some diference between Iraq and China.

When i look at the  money needed to Invade poor lill Iraq, then i simply see the most realistic reason, why US can not never ever attack china.

Actualy China is contemporary biggest US debts buyer.

Anyway china has developed its own way, how to get some other country. vis. Tibet.
And they are going to do the same with Taiwan IMO.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
Raider123489738257 you seem to think that I'm referring to a nuclear war.....I'm not. I'm speaking strictly conventional.

Okay, how?

[weaselsan]

Keeping in mind that Taiwan has Patriot batteries, a well equiped and trained air force, state of the art anti-ship missles and access to American Sat. info....wouldn't it be a long swim for the Chinese Army?

[Raider179]

its 120 miles

1) china probably knows the location of most of their airfields and missile batterys. I would expect a pounding form surface to surface missiles. And I would bet but havent checked that China has way more Surface to surface missiles than taiwan has patriots.

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Raider179
its 120 miles

1) china probably knows the location of most of their airfields and missile batterys. I would expect a pounding form surface to surface missiles. And I would bet but havent checked that China has way more Surface to surface missiles than taiwan has patriots.

You miss the point. China can't defeat taiwan with scud missles. You have to have boots on the ground. Crossing 120 miles of open water against state of the art weapons would be suicide.

[Raider179]

Not missing any point....I do grasp the difficulty in crossing the strait but China has high tech weapons as well and in far far greater numbers. Taiwan has the 1st gen of Patriots....not the Pac-3 which seem to be on hold as we are producing them for ourselves... And info I have seen shows only 64-200 of them in theatre. Not much of a defense against a couple thousand Chinese surface to surface missiles.

1)Be kind of hard to launch planes when your runways are full of craters.

2) Missile batteries tend to be stationary and therefore very vulnerable to attack.

3) the taiwanese navy would probably get sunk by the 70+ chinese subs.

p.s. Scuds are russian made not chinese

[majic]

Were I the Chinese, and I wanted to take Taiwan, I would convince my little buddy N. Korea to start something to distract the US.

Anyone know what the current state of the Chines suface navy is?  Air defence?  Interceptors and strike fightes?

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Raider179
Not missing any point....I do grasp the difficulty in crossing the strait but China has high tech weapons as well and in far far greater numbers. Taiwan has the 1st gen of Patriots....not the Pac-3 which seem to be on hold as we are producing them for ourselves... And info I have seen shows only 64-200 of them in theatre. Not much of a defense against a couple thousand Chinese surface to surface missiles.

1)Be kind of hard to launch planes when your runways are full of craters.

2) Missile batteries tend to be stationary and therefore very vulnerable to attack.

3) the taiwanese navy would probably get sunk by the 70+ chinese subs.

p.s. Scuds are russian made not chinese

I use the term scud to infer useless, not country of origin. If you think that surface to surface missles is all the Chinese need to defeat Taiwan I hope the Chinese think the same way and go for it. Patriots are mobil and are AA not anti-missle. Trust me when I tell you the Taiwanese are not concerned with the Chinese Subs.
If China could have figured out a way to take formosa it would have happened long ago. But go ahead...make my day.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by majic
Were I the Chinese, and I wanted to take Taiwan, I would convince my little buddy N. Korea to start something to distract the US.

Anyone know what the current state of the Chines suface navy is?  Air defence?  Interceptors and strike fightes?

yeah taiwan has 4 subs, 7 destroyers, 22 frigates, 146 f-16s, 57 mirage 2000's, 128 IDF's and 90 F-5s,

not much of a match at all against china who has 67 subs, 24 destroyers, 45 frigates, 90 Guided missile boats, 150 Amphibious Assault ships, 120 bombers, 400 attack planes, 1400 fighters

[Raider179]

Originally posted by weaselsan
I use the term scud to infer useless, not country of origin. If you think that surface to surface missles is all the Chinese need to defeat Taiwan I hope the Chinese think the same way and go for it. Patriots are mobil and are AA not anti-missle. Trust me when I tell you the Taiwanese are not concerned with the Chinese Subs.
If China could have figured out a way to take formosa it would have happened long ago. But go ahead...make my day.

1) patriots can do both

2) not scared of diesel/electric subs huh? you do know that when under electric power those Chinese subs are undetectable. That makes the taiwanese navy pretty much a big target.

3)Never said it was all they needed. What I did say was that is how they would go about killing the taiwanese airforce and missile batteries.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Gixer
Nope not at all. China could take Taiwan anytime it want's but it's better of economically at the moment with it there. Their busy opening up direct flight routes and increasing trade at the moment.



...-Gixer

Sure. Care to explain how China would be able to invade Taiwan?

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Raider179
1) patriots can do both

2) not scared of diesel/electric subs huh? you do know that when under electric power those Chinese subs are undetectable. That makes the taiwanese navy pretty much a big target.

3)Never said it was all they needed. What I did say was that is how they would go about killing the taiwanese airforce and missile batteries.

(1) All subs are electric...no sub is undetectable.

(2) Any airforce attempting to attack Taiwan would suffer unacceptable losses.

(3) The Tiawanese airforce is one of the most formidible in the world.

 You have to keep in mind that the Chinese would still have to get large numbers of troops on the ground...they would be at the bottom of the formosa strait.

The patriots where used against scuds to placate Israel in the Gulf war...they are primarily an AA missle and are deadly. One of the main reasons saddam did not use fighter bombers to attack them and chose to use the scuds.