Author Topic: Anyone following the Walmart Unionization in Canada? (Read 4146 times)

Suave · « **Reply #225 on:** February 12, 2005, 09:07:12 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
How is Walmart driving down wage standards? Has the wage paid to a standard store clerk or stckboy been lowered because of Walmart?

I'd say no. Before Walmart, did store clerks and stockboys make a lot more money than they do now?

Man you are really stuck on that wal-mart wage thing.

Before wal-mart finishes a company off, the companies decrease the pay of their employees and curtail benefit programs so that the company can afford to provide wal-mart with the merchandise at the price that wal-mart tells them to do it. It's a slow death, employees sustain pay cuts, then they lose health benefits and retirement benefits, then finally they lose their job. US companies cannot legally and ethically compete with slave labor.

Had you been paying attention to the information provided to you, you would've known that.

By utilization wal-mart is a proponent of sweatshop and gulag labor.

NUKE · « **Reply #226 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:03:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Man you are really stuck on that wal-mart wage thing.

Before wal-mart finishes a company off, the companies decrease the pay of their employees and curtail benefit programs so that the company can afford to provide wal-mart with the merchandise at the price that wal-mart tells them to do it. It's a slow death, employees sustain pay cuts, then they lose health benefits and retirement benefits, then finally they lose their job. US companies cannot legally and ethically compete with slave labor.

And Walmart does not make the supplier do anything or cut any wages. They can't make products as cheap as China can. Why is that Walmart's fault?

Get a clue. Welcome to the global economy.

oboe · « **Reply #227 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:22:54 PM »

NUKE, do you see a problem with the global economy and the US standard of living?

NUKE · « **Reply #228 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:27:24 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
NUKE, do you see a problem with the global economy and the US standard of living?

yes

TweetyBird · « **Reply #229 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:11:16 PM »

>>Again, not Walmart's fault that China offers cheap goods.
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China offers peasant labor and yes, it is WalMarts fault for buying and encouraging peasant labor.

Suave · « **Reply #230 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:12:48 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
And Walmart does not make the supplier do anything or cut any wages.

Yes, they do, they coerce them into selling their goods at the price wal-mart wants to pay. Godamn. Pay attention.

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They can't make products as cheap as China can. Why is that Walmart's fault?

wtf

I thought I allready told you that it's not wal-marts fault that slave labor exists. Although they are responsible for contributing to it's longevity by utilizing it. Which btw utilizing slave labor is unethical, I know you don't think so but I'm telling you, honestly, it is.

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Get a clue. Welcome to the global economy. [/B]

Yeah, ok. And then maybe I'll talk to the hand, or.. whatever.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #231 on:** February 12, 2005, 11:24:31 PM »

Er, Nuke, why do you think China can produce products so cheap?

A. They purchase resources at bargain basement prices.
B. They seek less of a return than American companies
C. Their workers are peasants that consider it normal to work eighty hours for a comfty dirt floor shanty and some gruel.

Companies under the protection of the United States must be held criminaly responsible for the exploitation of child labor and slave/peasant labor - PERIOD. Its a criminal offense against man and civilized society.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #232 on:** February 13, 2005, 08:42:54 AM »

modern unions = the robber barons of the Industrial Revolution

One only has to look at the UK to see what unions will do if they abuse their power.

And yes I have been a member of a union > UAW.

If one is on Social Assistance (Welfare) here in Ontario, your monthly 'assets' cannot be more than $5000 and that includes your car and Welfare check.
In Ontario, one cannot suppliment your Welfare by working but in Quebec you can.

lazs2 · « **Reply #233 on:** February 13, 2005, 09:08:14 AM »

this thread goes fast...

Yes, I think PBS is way left of center... No I don't trust em...Yes I know it is paid for by public donations and is it not also paid for with taxpayer money?

Wallie world... guys.. you are saying that it pays less than the amount needed to qulaify for some benifiets... Ok.. so you would rather pay the whole welfare of these unemployables rather than just some of it? I know some of the emplyees through AA and my daughters friends... without Wall mart they would be doing nothing except maybe a burglary or ten while we were at work. We would be paying it all instead of a portion... think of it as workfare.

Cnina? are those workers being forced to work? why don't they quit and starve? Or... get a better job?

Ambition? How much ambition does it take to work 3 days a week at Wallie worlkd and then take a job at the local burger place or deliver pizza for another 2 or three? How bout going to school?

If their bussiness practices are so bad and so well known in the small bussiness world.... then people will either quit doing bussines with them or get better contracts.

Mom and Pop stores... I subsidized those crooks for years... they paid crap wages and extorted 2 times what every crap product they sold was worth out of me. I still paid welfare for their employees who worked full time and never got ahead in 20 years.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #234 on:** February 13, 2005, 09:13:18 AM »

and tweety... companies from America should be responsible for obeying the laws of that country that they are dealing with.

would you rather the child worked or starved? a fair question I think... Wallmart pulls out. the chinese family that was living off it now does what? begs? goes to the chinese for help? Applies for American welfare benifiets? Or... is it now better because you don't have to see it?

lazs

TweetyBird · « **Reply #235 on:** February 13, 2005, 10:56:06 AM »

>>would you rather the child worked or starved?<<

That wasn't the the issue. The issue was exploitation of child labor - read exploiting children. If the child was being exploited in another manner, would that be cool also if the child wasn't starving? I don't care if its labor exploitation or sexual exploitation of children, ANY American based company should be held criminally responsible in the United States if they have a mechanism in place to profit from it, and I don't care what the laws are in the specific country its occuring in.

If its proven inspections by US company reps are done in a manner to alert sweat shop owners in time to move the children out, those company reps need to go to jail for aiding child exploitation.

NUKE · « **Reply #236 on:** February 13, 2005, 11:06:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Yes, they do, they coerce them into selling their goods at the price wal-mart wants to pay. Godamn. Pay attention.

wtf
I thought I allready told you that it's not wal-marts fault that slave labor exists. Although they are responsible for contributing to it's longevity by utilizing it. Which btw utilizing slave labor is unethical, I know you don't think so but I'm telling you, honestly, it is.

Yeah, ok. And then maybe I'll talk to the hand, or.. whatever.

As much as you jump up and down and stomp your feet, it's still not going to change the fact that Walmart does not force a supplier to do anything or sell anything to them.

And Walmart buys goods from China, a communist backwards country. Lots of companies buy from China. Do you want to cut off trade with China? Oh, I forgot.....it's just all Walmarts fault.

Are you like Toad and believe that Walmart alone is taking down the US economy and has zero competition?