Question to Finns

[Siaf__csf]

Borodas every post is about his denial of the obvious.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Raven first you must understand the very basics such as 'democracy' can never co-exist with the 'dictatorship' or 'totalitarian.'

If a country is one of the latter, it's not a democracy and by far not democratic.

It's not my fault if communism is nowadays a synonyme for evil dictatorships and oppression.

You contradict yourself. So - USSR wasn't a dictatorship (that's obvious), and it's proven by the fact that "democratic centralism" was the main principle of every  Soviet political structure.

Ignorance is power, my friend. Truth is a lie. Sun orbits Earth. Keep reasoning about things that you have no idea of. It's productive, and helps you to sleep well, at least until you re-discover logics and finally reach the level of ancient Greeks in cultural development.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Borodas every post is about his denial of the obvious.

Yes. I deny the obvious fact that Sun orbits Earth

This fact is obvious to 20% of Americans! They simply can't be wrong!

I wonder how far you'll go on the road of substituting knowledge, research and logics with TV and comic-books with fast-food easy-to-consume ready opinions.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Raven_2
so, communism IS democracy :-) LOL :-) I love this sophistic magic of definitions :-)

And when Europe fight with communism, they fight with democracy :-) And USA was biggest democracy-hater in the world :-) LOL :-) Magic transformations :-)

Raven, Siaf will probably think that Greek letters you used are Chinese You are too cruel, poor boy may have a nervous breakdown

Hehe, when we post in Cyrillic - even Grunherz (he's Siaf's siamese twin from Croatia, who was opressed by Evil Communists who made him wear Pioneer's tie)  thinks it's Elven language

[Siaf__csf]

Raven, Siaf will probably think that Greek letters you used are Chinese

Boroda eisai einai ilithios. Katalavenis? Pigene stin mama tous pousths malakismeno. Paro filos tous apo piso re.

Boroda I'm not an american for the final time. You're too thick to even get that simple fact to your head even though I've repeated it many times already.

You can try to convince the world uncle Josif was not a dictator. Emphasis on the try.

[Raven_2]

to Sciaf

>>Elections with only 1 forced candidate are not democratic elections. So yours doesn't apply. I'm talking about the normal universe.

It was a joke :-) Look for smiles when read.

BTW, there were more than one candidate in election list in USSR, but AFAIK that mean nothing :-) But maybe I`m wrong.

>>You can try to convince the world uncle Josif was not a dictator.

Stalin was a dictator. But Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov weren`t. So dictatorship died in 1953 with Stalin. Totalitarism, thought, not.

[Siaf__csf]

The thing that I like about you Raven that you at least acknowledge at least some of the facts where Boroda simply dances on cloud number 9.

[Toad]

As I said, no sane person capable of rational thought has any doubt about who killed the Polish POW's at Katyn.

But  other  international  experts,  including  the  one  from
neutral Switzerland, as well as the Polish Red Cross, established
beyond any doubt the time of the execution -- between April 4 andMay 13, 1940.   Evidence found in  the pockets of  the victims --such  as diaries,  unsent letters  and  Soviet newspapers  -- and
forensic tests  confirmed the  date.  In  all, 4,143  bodies were
positively identified.

The victims at Katyn were buried in greatcoats and boots which were in perfect condition. Had they been alive doing heavy road construction work for another year and a half, from April 1940 until September 1941 as claimed in this Report, these articles would have shown severe wear.

And, of course, the victims would have sent and received correspondence for another eighteen months. The 15,000 victims had thousands of relatives and friends in Poland yet nothing was heard from them after April 1940; no letter or postcard written by any of these men after that date has ever been produced. All mail sent to them after April 1940 was returned by the Russians marked "Return to Sender – Gone Away." The Russians admitted responsibility for the Katyn shootings in November 1989.

But go on defending the murders; it shows the world what you truly are.

Or, try to dredge up some "red herring' to distract folks from the fact that you still deny Soviet repsonsibility.

[Boroda]

OK, Toad finally comes down to quoting original nazi propaganda reports on Katyn.

Tell me more about Polish Red Cross, and "European experts" who later said they were forced to sign the report after direct threats to their families.

Again: http://main.news.izvestia.ru/community/news93760


Следствием установлено точное количество лиц, которые содержались в лагерях, "и в отношении которых принимались решения" - чуть более 14.54 тыс. человек. Из них чуть более 10.7 тыс. человек содержались в лагерях на территории РСФСР, а 3 тысячи 800 человек - на Украине."Установлена гибель одной тысячи 803 человек (из числа содержавшихся в лагерях), личности 22 человек идентифицированы", - сказал Савенков.

It's a report about Polish prisoners in USSR. 14.54 thousand people, 1803 dead. What did you say about our General Prosecutor?... As usual - you give me links to sources that say things absolutely opposite to what you tell me.

Toad, do you take other nazi propaganda lies without doubt? How about American Jewish plutocracy and other stuff?

Even when it's obvious that Poles were killed by nazis - I still say I don't know. Keep believing what TV tells you, they never lie and always know better

[Siaf__csf]

Boroda ti kolopedi eisai? Apandise mou vre! Milises ellinikes? Or do you say it's all Greek to you now?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda

Toad, do you take other nazi propaganda lies without doubt?

No.

The Russians admitted responsibility for the Katyn shootings in November 1989.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Boroda
It's a report about Polish prisoners in USSR. 14.54 thousand people, 1803 dead. What did you say about our General Prosecutor?... As usual - you give me links to sources that say things absolutely opposite to what you tell me.

Thats interesting, considering that about one third of finnish PoW's died in captivity. According to Dmitri Frolov, finnish PoW's were relatively privileged (=should count as lower death rate).

Somehow I find it weird that out of 14,540 poles only 1,803 died in captivity. Do you know that could be considered world wide quite low death rate in captivity during the WWII? Only 12.4%.

In the prisoner camps, majority of deaths were caused by starvation and diseases. Thats nothing country specific.

If the frontline troops had trouble getting enough food, it is natural that the prisoner camps have even less.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
No.

The Russians admitted responsibility for the Katyn shootings in November 1989.

Some Russians may admit responsibility for crucifying Christ.

So what? If Gorby admitted it - it means only that Groby admitted it. He was considered a looney and a yap even at that time.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Fishu
Thats interesting, considering that about one third of finnish PoW's died in captivity. According to Dmitri Frolov, finnish PoW's were relatively privileged (=should count as lower death rate).

Somehow I find it weird that out of 14,540 poles only 1,803 died in captivity. Do you know that could be considered world wide quite low death rate in captivity during the WWII? Only 12.4%.

In the prisoner camps, majority of deaths were caused by starvation and diseases. Thats nothing country specific.

If the frontline troops had trouble getting enough food, it is natural that the prisoner camps have even less.

It's interesting. Sorry, never thought about it.

My Father commanded Romanian and German POWs in 1947 when he had a practice as a Navy cadet, construction supervisor. I'll ask him if they were starving, but he never said anything like that. And in 1947 we had a last mass starvation because of bad harvest.

Father studied in Leningrad, so if there were any Finnish POWs there he may tell something about their conditions.

Polish officers from "POW" camps could get out quite early to join Wojsko Polsko (sp? sorry), like Kosciuszko division. As far as I understood from Soviet documents only "socially alien elements" were held in camps, so majority of Polish officer corps could avoid it.

On some occasions POWs recieved more food then civilian population in USSR... Didn't I tell you that USSR was different?...

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
So what? If Gorby admitted it - it means only that Groby admitted it. He was considered a looney and a yap even at that time.

Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Putin, now Russia's Chief Military Inspector, actual documentation from Stalin's NKVD now released, forensic evidence that validates the year of death..........

some Russians are considered looney all right. The one's that won't admit the NKVD killed the Polish POWs for example. They'd be the looniest of them all.