Question to Finns

[Siaf__csf]

It's more like steal from humanity Boroda.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Boroda
I like a term you used, "steal". Steal from allmighty US of A? A nation chosen by god?

Even though Finland survived independent through the USSR's liberation attempts, it isn't a state of the US of A or it's puppet.
Neither is Estonia, after it regained its rightful independence, this time through a truly democratic decision. Democracy, which they hadn't forgot during the couple decades of totalitarian occupation.
The people of Estonia finally regained back that what was forcefully taken from them, apparently by a "democratic" decision in the history books of the USSR.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
I think you should reread what I posted.

The Poles may not have wanted Soviet troops to cross their territory when a German invasion was only a possibility. After the Germans actually invaded, they may have changed their minds, no?

This was exactly how it was discussed with "allies". Soviet troops needed to cross the border in case Poland was invaded by Germany. If it was invaded by Hungary - there was no such need at all.

Originally posted by Toad
IF you read what I posted, the Poles at first though you Soviets WERE coming to help fight the Germans.

Remember this?

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Lied to them and fooled them, didn't yas?

Was it a lie? I don't think so, we supplied goods until they paid. It's capitalism, isn't it?...

Originally posted by Toad
Secondly, the USSR gained little if anything at all by taking Poland... except endless shame... as it made no difference when Barbarossa jumped off. They kicked your axes all the way back to Moscow in short order. The only thing that saved Moscow was Hitler-the-putz deciding to delay Barbarossa for 4 weeks in order to deal with a relatively minor situation in Yugoslavia.

So, you stabbed Poland in the back and gained... nothing except shame.

Toad, I think that people who made the decision to enter Poland and move the border had their reasons, and knew a little more in strategy and military science then both of us combined. It's easy to sit at our terminals 60 years later and call them fools.

OTOH, there is enough literature on military aspects of pre-war politics published here now, and it made me think that the value of territory aquired in 1939-40 can't be underestimated. I can give you links to the electronic versions of this books at militera.lib.ru, but I doubt that you'll bother learning Russian, espesially when you refuse to get books in English I recommend you.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Fishu
Even though Finland survived independent through the USSR's liberation attempts, it isn't a state of the US of A or it's puppet.
Neither is Estonia, after it regained its rightful independence, this time through a truly democratic decision. Democracy, which they hadn't forgot during the couple decades of totalitarian occupation.
The people of Estonia finally regained back that what was forcefully taken from them, apparently by a "democratic" decision in the history books of the USSR.

You say that the Estonian decision to join USSR was "undemocratic"? Well, it's the problem of their political system in 1939.

Now they are puppets of US of A and NATO. Finland isn't. This deserves a lot of respect. !

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
It's more like steal from humanity Boroda.

If you are a representative of this "humanity" - I cancel my membership.

[Suave]

Anybody else see that old TV footage when Nixon went to moscow and met with Kruschev in front of an audience. To expo some of our advanced western technology that wasn't yet available in the USSR. You know, like electric kitchen appliances, and deoderant.  And Kruschev made an bellybutton out of himself on TV before the world with his defence of fiegned laughter.

I get that mental image whenever our neighborhood stalinist uses that age old slavic tactic here.

Yes, the soviets stole the ukraine, from the ukrainians.

Oh HO HO! now go have yourself a good chuckle comrad.

Oh and btw I'm glad you cleared up that whole lithuanian 1991 invasion lie.

Turns out it was just lithuanians running over eachother in tanks and stuff.  That's good to know, wouldn't want to tarnish the image of soviet union, especially at it's funeral.

[Siaf__csf]

If you are a representative of this "humanity" - I cancel my membership.

It's painfully obvious to anyone that you did that long time ago.

[mora]

Originally posted by Suave
Anybody else see that old TV footage when Nixon went to moscow and met with Kruschev in front of an audience. To expo some of our advanced western technology that wasn't yet available in the USSR. You know, like electric kitchen appliances, and deoderant.  And Kruschev made an bellybutton out of himself on TV before the world with his defence of fiegned laughter.

This?(Real audio)

[Suave]

rtsp is not a registered protocol.

[Raven_2]

to Suave

BTW how many countries did the soviets steal or try to steal? We'll exclude russia since that's a given.

Latvia,Estonia,Poland,Hungary,Afghanistan,Lithuani
a,Finland,Ukraine

There's so many, I can't remember them all at once. Help me out guys.

Maybe this is a news for you, but all of this countries (except Afganistan, tnat wasn`t occupaited) all of this countries was a part of Russian Empire long before. Than they were occupied by intervents.

to Boroda

>>I like a term you used, "steal". Steal from allmighty US of A? A nation chosen by god?

Yeah :-) A master race, that could murder one third of a million Japan citizien just to fun themselfs and show whole world, that they gain nuclear weapon from nazi reaserch :-)

to Siaf_csf

>>It's more like steal from humanity Boroda.

And giving of CZ to German by Munchen agreement was a gift to humanity, i suppose? :-) LOL

to Fishu

>> Democracy, which they hadn't forgot during the couple decades of totalitarian occupation.

Estonia was the part of Russia till 1721. In 1919 it was occupied by contrrevolution intervention. At 1934 Estonia has became a pro-faschist country (a democratic election of faschist president, I suppose). In 1940 they come back to Russia/USSR, by THEY WILL. Gunpoint? Maybe. But that wese THEIR OWN choice.

And, yes, they know a LOT about independance and democracy :-) LOL. It were not country, but part of Russia/USSR from 1721 to 1991, 180 years. Before that it were divided beetwen Sweds, Dania and Rech` Pospolitaya (till XVI). And before that it were the part of German teutons (till XIII). And estonian exist till XIII. As you can see, they democracy and independense traditions are great :-)

[Raven_2]

to Toad

>>What about them? They weren't ever killed wholesale on the orders of the US government. Unlike the... Ukrainians and Stalin.

It`s a lie! There were no rasict killings by USSR government. Annd about rascism in USA:

<...>death toll of racism in the United States <...> 3,300,000 excess deaths from 1900 to 1970.

>>Put " russia poles savenkov" in Google and do some reading. Or check my next post; I'll give you the whole article that the rest of the world is reading.

Put "Россия+Савенков+Катынь" and read original before. Your citate was at least mistranslation, if not lie.

>>And Soviets burned Germans that weren't surrendered, etc., etc. THAT'S war.

There were not mass killing of german civilians by soviet troops. And Hirosima WAS mass killing of civilians. There were NO military targets here.

>>However, shooting unarmed POW's is not war, it's MURDER.

And melting unarmed japans it`s a war, yes?

>>The Japanese were NOT going to surrender. If you'd read the history, you'd realize that.

You say this to me not a first time. Again: that gives you a right to cause massive civilians deaths? Yes?

>>Yeah, I know. We had troops all over the world after the war ended. Some of them stayed to keep stuff from..

Sure, your troops always "just keep the peace" :-) Actualy, that was not soldiers, but Flowers Child and peacefull hippies, yes? :-) And when soviet send troops to any country (to protect Northern Korea from being butchered and wiped out from SK/USA forces) - it`s an always "act of agression" :-)

>>LOL! What a pathetic dodge!

>>Whose side did the Soviet Union fight on when the North Koreans aggressively invaded South Korea in 1950?

NK/SK conflict for "unite Korea" was till 1945. USA helps to kill NK till 1945. In 1950 USA/SK go to NK territory.


>>Results 1 - 10 of about 136,000 for 1950 North Korea invades South Korea

LOL! Google ignore order of words, so "1950 North Korea invades South Korea" and "1950 South Korea invades North Korea " are equal for it :-) And number of links differs for me:

>>Results 1 - 10 of about 6 440 for 1950 North Korea invades South Korea
>>Results 1 - 10 of about 6 440 for 1950 South Korea invades North Korea

And, agin, Toad what you think about articles I pointed to you? Written by USA historians?
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/con_korea.cfm
http://www.zmag.org/millerterror.htm

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Raven_2
But that wese THEIR OWN choice.

It were not country, but part of Russia/USSR from 1721 to 1991, 180 years.

As much of their choice as it is for taiwanese to formalize their independence nowadays.
If it would really be their choice, I suppose they would've already formalized their independence.
But since it is not their choice, it is not their choice, regardless how 'democratic' it is at the moment.
The instant they do something which China doesn't like, their democracy will be steamrolled by 2 million chinese.
Thats the same it was for the baltic republics prior to the second world war. Hardly by their own choice.
If their country would been much bigger, they would've entered into a war with the USSR. Thats what their own choice would been. Defend the independence.
Just tell me what they could've done? Had they told the USSR otherwise, it would've started a bloodshed in which they wouldn't of had any chances.

Would you call it "by your own choice", if you'd be robbed at a gun point?
Oh... wait a minute...!
Now I do understand why there hasn't been much crimes, since the robbery will happen "by your own choice" when the criminal asks for your money, while holding you at a gun point.
Therefore it isn't a robbery! you willingly gave your property for the robbe... person!
If you don't give what he asks for, he will shoot you and that still doesn't count as a crime, because it was your own choice to be shot instead.
You weirdo russians, you have much to learn about democracy.


1721 to 1991? but you just said there was a gap from 1919 to 1940.

[Raven_2]

to Fishu

>>1721 to 1991? but you just said there was a gap from 1919 to 1940.

Yeah. There were to lazy for me to type two more numbers :-) And in this gap Estonia was by influence of belogvardia (contrrevolutioners) and then became pro-faschist country.

>>Had they told the USSR otherwise, it would've started a bloodshed in which they wouldn't of had any chances.

Have any prove to your words? They separate in 1991 and there were no bloodshed.

>>Would you call it "by your own choice", if you'd be robbed at a gun point?

Bla-bla-bla. So, you forget quickly your rights when someone therat you and momentaly became slave? As I can see from your words, democracy is all about fear :-)

Again, russians fight for they right to exist in Great Patriotic War/WWII and all other europian countries prefer to became german slaves. *That* is the main difference between us, Fishu.

[Toad]

I think you guys have pretty well painted you self-portraits here.

My job is done.

Till next time, Comrades.

[Raven_2]

to Toad

>>My job is done.

Sure,you have no prove for you words, ao you run away :-) Ah. As always with your kind...