Originally posted by bikekil
Sikorski since 28.IX.1939 was chief of Polish Army in France, two days later a prime minister in our ONLY goverment.
At this point till '89 there was no other Polish goverment... other then commie puppies that were never elected by Poles and server SU not Poland. That goverment in London was the only goverment who spoke with the Allied forces (including Soviets).
But let me ask you - do you think that after Soviets attack our lands on 17.IX.1939 we had to declare the war with them?
Another question - does (in your opinion) any statement is a good excuse to kill more then 20000 people? (especially when Soviets attacker Poland, not opposite
)
just checking...
Bik,
Do not fool yourself with the ONLY Polish government sitting on their high stools in London and "electing" an idiot for the Prime Minister in exile.
Your government (before it fled abroad) and the Commander-in-Chief ( before Sikorski) were wise enough not to declare the war on the Soviet Union even when the armed border conflict between the Red Army and Polish border guards was in progress.
In this regard, Sikorski's London declaration of war on the USSR (1.III.1940) was far more than a simple stupidity.
But even Sikorski's idiocy does not justify the death in spring of 1940 of thousands of Polish officers, policemen, and other combatants (15,131 in Katyn and 7,305 in the jails in western Ukraine and western Belorussia).
If you would have read all my posts here in this thread you could notice that I was also mentioning the death in 1919-1921 in POW camps on Polish territories of about 58,000 of Red Army soldiers captured by the Polish Army during the Polish-Russian and Polish-Ukrainian wars of 1919-1920. Red Army soldiers were held in these POW camps in the conditions not corresponding to Geneva conventions, treated inhumanely, beaten, robbed, female POWs raped.
I did not mention before the unidentified number of Red Army soldiers of German ethnicity who surrendered at the battlefield to the Polish Army and were simply shot on the spot by Polish forces without any trial or even reason.
The majority of the Stalin's entourage were the people who took part in the Polish-Russian and Polish-Ukrainian wars of 1919-1920. And they were perfectly aware of the role of the Polish Army command in the mistreatment and in the death of those tens of thousands of Soviet POWs. So, the Polish side reaped its own harvest of death.
Still, I haven't heard a single word spoken by a Pole about these Soviet POWs. Not even a single word of acknowledgement of these facts.
I think that it is the time for the Polish people to think about finding at least a word of apology for starving to death and killing the Soviet POWs as well as many thousands of civilians in Ukraine during the years of 1918-1921.
P.S. The horrors that the Polish Army and the Polish special forces brought to Ukraine in these years deserve a separate description.
The following are the words of the then future minister of foreign affairs of Poland in the 1930-s J.Bek [Jr.] adressed to his father J.Bek, then the vice-minister of internal affairs in the government of Paderevski (the story is about the time at the end of 1918 when J.Bek [Jr.] and his comrades in arms after fulfilling an intelligence mission in Romania, Moscow and Kiev were returning to Poland through
"Bolshevized Ukraine") : "In the villages we killed everybody to a single person and burnt everything when we had a slightest suspicion of insincerity. I personally worked using the stock [of the rifle]." [end of quote]
As it was witnessed by M.Kossakovski, to kill or torture to death a 'Bolshevik' was not even considered to be a sin. "In the presence of general Listovski ([Polish]commander of the operational group in Polesie) there was shot dead a boy only for seemingly evil grinning". One of the Polish officers "Shot people dead by tens only because they had poor clothes on and looked like Bolsheviks ... there were killed about twenty refugees who came from behind the front lines ... these people were robbed, whipped with the lengths of barbed wire, their skin was burnt by hot iron rods in order to get false confessions." Kossakovski also witnessed the following 'experiment' :
"into the person's cut open belly they had sewn
a live cat and made bets on who would die first,
the human being or the cat." [end of quote] *
I guess, this is enough for making not only cruel Stalin but anybody mad at the Polish officers and their "gentlemenlike" conduct.
We don't know exactly how many of these monsters died in Katyn.
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* Quotations were borrowed from the book by Mikhail Mel'tiukhov. Sovetsko-Pol'skiye voiny (Soviet-Polish Wars) 2nd Ed., Moscow.: Yauza, Eksmo [Publishing Houses], 2004, pp.42-43 (ISBN 5-699-07637-9)