Author Topic: Question to Finns (Read 29198 times)

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #780 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:27:30 PM »

780th post, motherbeetchez!

straffo · « **Reply #781 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:14:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Raven_2
to Holden

>>So this "you take the east half and we will take the west half" agreement to partition Poland was non-agression?

You can open any encyclopedia and see that this pact was formaly non-agression pact. (BTW, how would you call Muchen agreement, then?)

And what you think about part of CZ occupation by Poland in 1938, with nazi? Poland, Germans and Hungary attack CZ - so, according to your logic, poles were nazi ally (cause they both attacked one country). And CZ was by USSR/France protectorate by that time (France betray them and they reject USSR help). Nazi ally attack USSR ally - again, according to your logic.

And now you blame Soviets for counter-attack in 1939? :-)

So the pole were wrong to grab 1000km2 when the Russian were right to grab half or Poland.

You're not dense ... I've trouble finding the right word ...

Raven_2 · « **Reply #782 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:21:36 PM »

to Boroda

>>3 German divisions in North Africa. 1% of a force fighting at the Eastern Front.

You lie, Boroda. 1,66%. Don`t understimate investment of Allies in the Victory :-)

Raven_2 · « **Reply #783 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:24:57 PM »

to straffo

>>So the pole were wrong to grab 1000km2 when the Russian were right to grab half or Poland.

Poland *attack* CZ. Poland *attack* formaly USSR ally. You words is like "steal 20$ is not as steal 200$, so it cannot be count as steal at all".

straffo · « **Reply #784 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:33:02 PM »

You needed 1 full year to come defend your ally and it's with the help of the Nazi ?

Are you sure the Pole are one who should feel guilty in this case ?

No one should forget Russia was in bed with Satan one full year.

straffo · « **Reply #785 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:38:34 PM »

You would better read that Raven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie

Perhaps will you learn something.

Thrawn · « **Reply #786 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:42:34 PM »

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Originally posted by genozaur
I was not asking about ceremonial tea parties.
My question is plain and simple : when did the USA occupational forces leave Germany and
Japan ? Obviously, they did not do it in 1952, 1955, 1972, 1973.
Or maybe they really left and the Germans and the Japanese just do not know about it ?

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Originally posted by Boroda
I love when people try to apply logics to propaganda slogans

I'm not sure if it's a logic issue or a language barrier on your part.

"oc·cu·py ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ky-p)
tr.v. oc·cu·pied, oc·cu·py·ing, oc·cu·pies
1. To fill up (time or space): a lecture that occupied three hours.
2. To dwell or reside in.
3. To hold or fill (an office or position).
4. To seize possession of and maintain control over by or as if by conquest.
5. To engage or employ the attention or concentration of: occupied the children with coloring books. "

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=occupy

Is it your contention that the US maintains control over Germany and Japan. Or do they have a duly elected government that is responsible to it's citizens?

Raven_2 · « **Reply #787 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:43:42 PM »

to Thrawn

>>So many geniuses in the USSR, but it took you decades to realise that communism is an inefficiant economic model.

Well, maybe in a few decades you realize, that *communism* it`s not an economic model at all? It`s like call "monarchy" an economic model.

So - China are still commie. And they have 40% of USA 9.000 billions external debt. Think about it. It`s about economic efficiency of liberal democracy and communism form of organizing society :-)

And this guy call commies stupid :-)

>>This is why the people that live in countries that were in the USSR inluding Russia are begging and pleading to get the hook up with the EU.

Sure. And thats why they still trade with us. If we block gas transporting to them, they die out. Why we tolerate to their bla-bla, then? Well, while they pay with EU money for our gas, we can ignore that.

Raven_2 · « **Reply #788 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:49:03 PM »

to straffo

>>You needed 1 full year to come defend your ally and it's with the help of the Nazi ?

CZ officialy reject USSR help in 1938. But, still, they were allies and this can be count like motivation to attack Poland :-)

My sayings about attack on Poland because of CZ is kind of joke. I said this cause Holden claim that if USSR and nazi attack Poland at once - they were allies. In this way nazi and Poland can be called allies too, cause both of them attack CZ.

bikekil · « **Reply #789 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:51:34 PM »

Raven, problem is that Poland said it loud - we are sorry, it was our bad. we attacked Czechs and whatever our territorial claims were, we appologised for that.

Russia (and SU before) are avoiding to say that Soviets attacked Poland. Genozaur is calling taking half of my country a Border conflict or you guys call it a liberation of Ukraine or Belorussia and taking military, political, polica and whatever else controll of Poland and it's resources, Soviets were calling and you guys still are thinking of it as of LIBERATION.

Gents, Soviets SLAVED not LIBERATED Poland. That's a huge difference between those two words.
Anytime i think of it, a see many many Soviet soldiers dying fighting with Nazi Germans. I salute them! In the whole discussion i never said about the rapes that Soviet soldiers did on Polish people during the "liberation" as you call it. You can ask ANYONE who lived during that time and they will tell you the same - German soldiers were nowhere close in rapes compared to Soviet soldiers... but you know, i think of it as a war that is doing dramatic things to peoples mind, and that can change them into murderers or whatever so i really don't ask and never will be for appology for that rapes.

All we are asking you guys, is to accepts tha facts and talk about that the right way.

I have no idea how taking half of Poland could ba called a "border conflict". I will keep quiet and wont answer with insultions on a personal attack for my grandpa who was fighting with Red Army as he was ordered. I have no idea why your MFA can't say it clear about KAtyn, of course the response i gave you link to, is in fact admiting who made the crime, but you have to prowse for the history from 90's and from a "regular" people it means nothing... strange thing..

Anyway, as i said, problem is that people here are trying to be honest with the history while you guys are denaying the facts.

Guys, i really wish someday our nations could tell the truth about everything everyone know who, what and why.... but as long as you are giong to call invasion a "border conflict" i can't see it impossible.

Raven_2 · « **Reply #790 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:53:04 PM »

to Thrawn

>>Is it your contention that the US maintains control over Germany and Japan. Or do they have a duely elected government that is responsible to it's citizens?

Gena means first meaning of occupy, I suppose :-) USA tanks still fill some space onto the German and Jappan territory :-) So - they occupy it ... well, in some way 8-)

Fishu · « **Reply #791 on:** March 27, 2005, 02:53:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Raven_2
And this guy call commies stupid :-)

Except these guys revamped the communism to a mix of communism and something else.
It isn't pure communism anymore.

bikekil · « **Reply #792 on:** March 27, 2005, 03:01:46 PM »

Raven,

Nazi Germany attacked poland on 1.09.1939. While Polish Army were still defending against the Germans Soviets attacked Poland on 17.09.1939
It thing that it's a fact that both armies attacked Poland at once.

It's insane to call Poland and Gemrnany and Allies so i won't comment that one more.

Raven, what about the Ribbentrop Molotov pact? What about the map signed by Stalin? What about a pact to exchange the prisoners after Poland got shared between Soviets and Nazis? Come on, during the invasion of Poland your armes were the Allies with one plan - to share our lands. LAter it turned out into another story, but in 39 you were Allies.

Sometimes i just can't believe what i see...

Raven_2 · « **Reply #793 on:** March 27, 2005, 03:04:12 PM »

to bik

>>Gents, Soviets SLAVED not LIBERATED Poland. That's a huge difference between those two words.

I prefer word "conqueror" :-) There were no shackles on your parents, I think. And I don`t think that this was "liberation". Cause characteristic of conqueror actions is up to "liberated". If poles think, that it wasn`t "liberation" - well, that it wasn`t liberation.

Like with Iraq. They don`t think that they "gain freedom" in this war, so all USA claims about "liberation" are just blah-blah.

to Fishu

He call communism an economic model. Communism is social model. It *can* coexist with market economy. Modern China or NEP ("new economic politic") in USSR is the samples for this. So, he mix up planned economy with communism.

Raven_2 · « **Reply #794 on:** March 27, 2005, 03:08:23 PM »

to bik

>>It's insane to call Poland and Gemrnany and Allies so i won't comment that one more.

It. Was. A joke. Based onto Holand words about "if two sides attack third at once then they are allies".

>>Come on, during the invasion of Poland your armes were the Allies with one plan - to share our lands.

And in this way you were allies with nazi, cause both of you want to get a part of CZ land. It`s a stupid way to claim "ally". Alliance is formal agreement, official status.