Question to Finns

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, telling that someone can survive and be "taken captive" in Barenz Sea is ridiculous.

Well, with Soviet survival gear, it probably WOULD be impossible.

[MiloMorai]

LOL, Toad not only has someone been brainwashed, they have had a lobotomy.

So the Americans are warmongers Boroda.  With the number of times they could have shot down Soviet a/c, while threatening Americans, they never did, but the Soviets sure shot down a/c that were much less of a threat to them.

[Toad]

The crew bailed out 50 miles from the coast over the Barents Sea at latitude 72 degrees north. Olmstead saw everyone bail out, but one crew member's chute did not open. Bruce landed hard in the near-freezing water of the Barents and struggled to deploy his small yellow dinghy. In the process of ejecting from the spinning B-47, he had broken his back. Scanning the horizon he could see only one other dinghy.

John McKone landed between a mile and a half to two miles from Olmstead. The dinghies were hard to maneuver in the heavy sea, and the two were never able to join up. Of the six crew members, only Olmstead and McKone had survived. The others disappeared and were presumed lost.

I met John McKone while I was in. In his meeting with us, he maintained they were well outside Soviet airspace.

[Toad]

Again, the difference:

27 February 1974 A Soviet An-24 Coke reconnaissance aircraft, low on fuel, made an emergency landing at Gambell Airfield in Alaska. The crew remained on the aircraft overnight and were provided with space heaters and food. The next day they were refueled and departed for home.

On 26 March, 1994, Russian military surveillance aircraft, monitoring a NATO anti-submarine warfare exercise, was low on fuel and made an emergency landing at Thule Air Base in Greenland. It was on the ground about six hours, the crew was fed, the aircraft was refueled and it departed.

Thule is the U.S. Armed Forces' northernmost installation, located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle.

Now, if we had been SOVIETS... we would have murdered these crews long before they could land AT one of our bases. even though it was clear they were minimal threats if any threat at all.

Again, the difference between barbarians and humanitarians.

[Raven_2]

Toad, what a tipycal USA-government-defender like you think about Orange Agent in Vietnam? This is chemical weapon and it were used in Vietnam (didn`t chemical weapon is forbidden since WW1? Not for USA!).

BTW, USA STILL deny this. Oh, I lied. USA admit this for Vietnam veterans in USA, but reject for vietnams themself.

Article in russian: http://globalrus.ru/satire/140630/

In english:
About Agent Orange: http://www.ffrd.org/AO/factsheet.htm
Lawsuit: http://www.ffrd.org/Lawsuit/Lawsuit.htm

Show to the whole world what USAers is truly are, Toad :-)

[Raven_2]

to Toad

>>Fortunately, you Soviets didn't advance beyond your captured countries in Eastern Europe and try to enslave more of Europe, so there was no war.

USA still think that it Big Brother of Europe and must defend Europe against USSR (and now arabic) agression? Maybe you should ask europians about that? Maybe they don`t want your so called "protection" and can defend themself without your "help"?

What the fkcng habit - dictate to other countries what they should do?

[Raven_2]

Toad, and agian. Forgive my unawareness, but does anyone actually see our M-17/M-55/Bear F/Mig-25D/F/Yak-25/S-13 above the USA territory? Whole world knows about your RC-135 spies - but does anyone actualy see USSR spy planes?

[Raven_2]

And about KAL-007.

Read this: http://geocities.com/ke007us/

Over more than ten years of investigation, Michel Brun has collected and analyzed evidence which indicates

    * that KAL 007's off course flight was intentional
    * that when the Korean airliner approached Sakhalin Island, so too did a number of U.S. military aircraft some of which had already overflown the Kamchatka Peninsula
    * that when a number of them entered Soviet territorial airspace at Sakhalin, a more than two hour air battle was initiated in which some ten U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy aircraft were shot down with the loss of at least thirty U.S. servicemen
    * that KAL007 itself appears not to have overflown either Kamchatka or Sakhalin but passed through the Straits just the south of that Soviet island, flew south over the Sea of Japan for at least 45 minutes
    * and was then destroyed off Honshu by means and for reasons which remain to be established

[Staga]

I'm more than critical about what US of A has done lately but I gotta say they were pretty much only reason why you commies  couldn't add whole western Europe to your stash like you did with eastern Europe.

I bet 65 years ago you would have been merrily marching into Finland to liberate our working class?

I gotta say there's something really wrong in you people.

[Seeker]

What Staga said.

Western Europeans are very concious that America made real contributions to holding our Democracies self determining; regardless of the current tone of realtions accross the Atlantic.

Man; if it's this hard to talk to these guys; what's it going to be like bringing North Koreans into the 21 .st centuary?

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raven_2
Toad, what a tipycal USA-government-defender like you think about Orange Agent in Vietnam? This is chemical weapon

What a putz.

The Story of Agent Orange

Agent Orange was a chemical defoliant for plants/trees. The story of its development is in that link. The problem with it is that it contains dioxin; when they made it, they didn't realize what dioxin was or what it would do to humans.

I know pilots that flew the "Ranch Hand" missions in VietNam. They all thought it was harmless and generally didn't even wear any protective gear. Sometimes they returned soaked in Agent Orange. Would they have done that if it was a chemical weapon?

Agent Orange was a colossal screw up by the chemists. Had they know the dangers of dioxin it would never have been used; it took over 20 years before the dangers of dioxin were understood.

Putz.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raven_2
USA still think that it Big Brother of Europe and must defend Europe against USSR (and now arabic) agression? Maybe you should ask europians about that?  

No, I don't think that.

I DO think that when they were flat on their backs after WW2 they needed defending from the people that conquered and enslaved Eastern Europe.

Now though, it's time for US troops to come home. Past time, actually. Slowly, the troops are leaving Europe. I wish they'd come home faster.

Maybe you should ask the Euros... two of them already answered you here.

We don't dictate to other countries. The Soviets were the ones that dictated... they just conquered and installed a dictator.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raven_2
Whole world knows about your RC-135 spies - but does anyone actualy see USSR spy planes?

A lot of folks saw your TU-95's fly down the East Coast. They were interecepted... but not murdered, of course. One flew inland near Langely AFB. Your recon planes flew the West Coast a bit too, but very rarely and not very far. Alaska, mostly.

Since your long range aviation mostly sucked, though, you guys used recon trawlers and elint ships. Those were all the way around our coastline, just outside International Waters.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raven_2
And about KAL-007.

Read this: http://geocities.com/ke007us/

Here, read THIS:
Open Letter to Walter Cronkite re Michel Brun's Distortions

Brun is a loony Frenchman with an axe to grind against the US; his tinfoil hat is permanently attached to his head. He's as accurate as Thierry Meyssan is about 9/11; not at all.

[Toad]

Again, the difference:

27 February 1974 A Soviet An-24 Coke reconnaissance aircraft, low on fuel, made an emergency landing at Gambell Airfield in Alaska. The crew remained on the aircraft overnight and were provided with space heaters and food. The next day they were refueled and departed for home.

On 26 March, 1994, Russian military surveillance aircraft, monitoring a NATO anti-submarine warfare exercise, was low on fuel and made an emergency landing at Thule Air Base in Greenland. It was on the ground about six hours, the crew was fed, the aircraft was refueled and it departed.

Thule is the U.S. Armed Forces' northernmost installation, located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle.

Now, if we had been SOVIETS... we would have murdered these crews long before they could land AT one of our bases. even though it was clear they were minimal threats if any threat at all.

Again, the difference between barbarians and humanitarians.