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« Reply #480 on: March 17, 2005, 02:07:58 PM »
Boroda so you agree that you needlessly attacked finland and are guilty for the escalation of the war?

Thank you.

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« Reply #481 on: March 17, 2005, 02:10:37 PM »
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Youre the one even mentioning the whole WORD. You're not genocided which is painfully obvious at this stage. In fact, nobody has ever even tried that if you count out Hitler.

There's only one place where those camps and so called genocide exists, fabricated lies.


Go to page one in this discussion and see.

Genocide of Russian/Orthodox population was (and probably still is in their wet dreams) a common practice for Western "crusaders" in the last 1000 years. unfortunately for this "civilizers" we usually fight back. Come with a sword - die by the sword, as st. Alexander of Neva said, when he fought "crusaders" who gencided local Finnish population of Ingermanlandia.

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« Reply #482 on: March 17, 2005, 02:12:06 PM »
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Come with a sword - die by the sword


This didn't cross your troops minds when they attacked finland in 1939?

Your selective history is getting quite boring. You admit no responsibility to anything you've done but expect full reparations to every _alledged_ happening from the opposite side.

You're a sad victim of a brainwash, I really never wished to see anything like I've seen on this thread so far. Now I'm really cautious towards you guys.

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« Reply #483 on: March 17, 2005, 02:13:55 PM »
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Boroda so you agree that you needlessly attacked finland and are guilty for the escalation of the war?

Thank you.


Needlessly?! Finland was a beach-head for an indirect aggression in 1941, a term that wasn't accepted by the League of Nations in 1939, and that proved to be so painfully true. If USSR didn't take Karelian Isthmus - then the fate of the city where I was born could be much different... They starved only one million of Leningrad population, otherwise it could be much worse.

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« Reply #484 on: March 17, 2005, 02:16:15 PM »
Boroda so you think your country can attack and kill the citizens of another country with no guilt, freely and whenever it wishes?

Chechenia doesn't amaze me anymore.

Anyway, whatever your justification was, there's no justification for the state carelia is today nor the suffering of it's occupants. You destroy the quality of life wherever you touch, the land becomes wasteland.

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« Reply #485 on: March 17, 2005, 02:19:27 PM »
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This didn't cross your troops minds when they attacked finland in 1939?

Your selective history is getting quite boring. You admit no responsibility to anything you've done but expect full reparations to every _alledged_ happening from the opposite side.

You're a sad victim of a brainwash, I really never wished to see anything like I've seen on this thread so far. Now I'm really cautious towards you guys.


1) Servicemen perform their duty.

2) Again, and slowly: Finland got compensation for Karelian Isthmus, and the fact that it isn't mentioned in Finnish history books doesn't change it.

3) When you propagate genocide of Russian people, or, in fact, any nation - you better be cautious. Punishment will be fast and severe.

4) Brainwashing now is a monopoly of so-called Western "civilized nations".

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« Reply #486 on: March 17, 2005, 02:25:01 PM »
That about does it. This is the last contact I'm going to freewillingly do with a russian again.

This includes reading/posting to the likes of you.

Goodbye.

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« Reply #487 on: March 17, 2005, 03:32:50 PM »
Wow.. do I actually see Boroda suggesting that the finns should pay even MORE compensation, as if enough compensations wasn't paid after the wars? Wars that the USSR caused.

Oh yeah.. about only countries paying compensation to victims, are the countries which lost, mainly Germany alone.
Yet there was victims who suffered by russian, american, british, etc.
Why there isn't compensation paid for the germans who suffered under the russian occupation?

OH.. thats right.. they lost! so they must been the only ones doing something bad.
Indeed, only the people who won needs compensation, since they won... umm... wait a minute..


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then it's a crime when Finns kill Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews and other Soviet people, starving them in concentration camps only because they don't belong to Finno-Ugric nations. In Russian language it's called fascism. And the fact that they got kicked out of occupied lands and surrendered isn't an excuse for genocide
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Thats so much bull again, from one whos countrys old totalitarian government enslaved people for years.
It is really amazing this didn't happen prior to the war, but suddenly just happens on purpose during the war...

Let alone the laughable "genocide" accusations, just because people were moved to camps. Which by the way didn't include masses of jews, that was the nazi-german thing.
Genocide by moving people to camps...  haha, how many genocides did the USSR commit in that case?
The USSR did nothing but moved people back and forth when they occupied a country!
Many of the people never returning to their origins.



Unbelievable, hes accusing us brainwashed, the one who was born under a totalitarian rule, which used daily propaganda and censorship!
Then in under 15 years after the collapse of the communistic government, they all the sudden know EVERYTHING of the events in the second world war!
After been brainwashed for two decades with a different kind of history, where the USSR is always the hero and which never did anything bad.

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« Reply #488 on: March 17, 2005, 03:46:18 PM »
Fishu he makes me want to vomit. Literally.

I can't continue the discussion with them anymore. I doubt you'll do any better.

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« Reply #489 on: March 17, 2005, 05:19:13 PM »
None of us has a monopoly on BS.

Russia would always deny Katyn, USA would always deny Hirosima, England would always deny Dresden, Finland would always deny mass deaths cause of harsh conditions in they camps.

No logic and no argumentation wouldn`t convince any of us (I mean people from this thread) that such things by his country had the place/were atrocities. So, any reason to disput then?

>>After been brainwashed for two decades with a different kind of history, where the USSR is always the hero and which never did anything bad.

You were brainwashed too, but with almost counterview story: USSR is always evil which never did anything good. Truth, as always, in the middle.

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« Reply #490 on: March 17, 2005, 06:44:05 PM »
Forgot to mention...  the countries which lost in the second world war, have paid more than enough compensation after the surrender.
Many germans never returned from russia and died there even as late as in the 50's. Never returning home alive.
Now, two decades later, people all the sudden wants compensation, as if it wasn't dearly paid during the war and post-war.

Thats just ridiculous at the best.
Especially the jews wanting all kinds of compensation from everyone, where most of the money goes to a small minority of them.
Apparently russians are finding it to be a good business too? Or were these compensation talks just talk?

Greedy inviduals, thats my opinion.


Raven,

Theres no denying in that it could been harsh conditions in the camps, but talking of a genocide is waaaaay out of the line.
Harsh conditions in the camps do not mean a genocide.
I really doubt the russian camps were any better, so can I talk about genocide of finnish people?

During the war times, there is no such camp as a luxury camp.
There will be limited amount of food, just like there is limited amounts of food at the frontline, where it is mostly needed.
The free civilian population suffers from the lack of food as well.
Everything is rationed during a war.
There will be also an outbreak of diseases, which will worst affect the people locked into the camps, since they're in close contact with each others and bad hygiene.
There won't be enough medicine for anyone, if at all.

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« Reply #491 on: March 18, 2005, 12:26:05 AM »
Fishu, these people can't be reasoned with. They live in thier little paranoid world and believe the communist era lies they've been fed since they were children.

Even the very fact that the rest of the world thinks differently won't open thier eyes. They choose to trust the government which has undeniably been found corrupt over and over again. Outright lies and fabrications are a trademark of soviet union.

Fishu: Did you know that a large amount of western patents are pantented in russia to a russian scientist? I bet even dynamite was invented in russia according to them.

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« Reply #492 on: March 18, 2005, 12:41:29 AM »
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It's a fact. They got compensation for Karelian Isthmus in 1940, several times more land in Karelia, plus money for renting Hanko...


Where an earth did this come from ? Do you have any information or maps about this ?

Mind you give me some links, this is making me greatly interested.

My family was driven away from Karelia when it was robbed, but they never got any offers for moving somewhere else in new ' territories ' Was there really any chance for that ?!

Did my Grandmother tell me lies all the time ?

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« Reply #493 on: March 18, 2005, 04:54:21 AM »
I find it interesting. A Finn justifies Soviets in the Winter War. Luckily not all Finns are so brainwashed.

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27038&highlight=winter+war

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Moving the border Westward was dictated by the strategic necessities of Leningrad's defence. With better diplomacy that might have been done without a war. USSR offered equal areas for exchange.

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« Reply #494 on: March 18, 2005, 05:10:21 AM »
Yeah right. The Soviet demands grew bigger and bigger all the time when the negotiations proceeded. This wouldn't have happened if their intention was to find a political solution instead of getting an excuse to invade Finland.

Even if their original demands would have stayed the same they were unacceptable because their demands included military bases on our soil. A simple exchange of land would have been an entirely different matter.