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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2005, 05:15:01 PM »
One thing I don't get about this whole topic, is why the government refuses to face up to the fact that their current tactics in the "War on Drugs" are ineffective, at best.  And I really don't care what statistics someone can come up with to show that we are seizing more drugs these days, it really isn't making a dent, at least not from what I can see.

I'm just saying this from my own personal experience, but take it for what it's worth:

Maybe a year and a half ago, the DEA and various other agencies did a few raids on some well known dealers in my town and surrounding ones.  They ended up putting out of action the four most prominent.

Would you like to know the result?

Getting weed went from taking ten minutes, to half an hour.  And that was only for a few weeks until new dealers sprung up.

I can't imagine how much money it cost the government, in terms of paying the various agency officers, stakeouts, investigations, and red tape, to only slightly inconvenience people for two weeks.

It doesn't make much sense to continue fighting this war the way we're going...  I basically see three options:

1.  Continue as-is, and continue to fail.

2.  Make stronger sentences for those convicted, and have it thrown out in court (20+ years for getting caught with a joint most certainly falls under "cruel and unusual punishment" and will be fought vigorously by various groups)

3.  Legalize pot, tax it, and either take the money saved from trying to ban it to either:

   A) Continue as-is, with more resources, for other drugs, and hope it works out better; or

   B) Spend the money on TRUTHFULL drug-education, and treatment programs.  (or, you know, after-school programs that have been proven to reduce drug use, yet are being cut away from school budgets in many areas)

I feel this "War on Drugs" CAN be "won"...  But not if we try to hammer away at everything at once.  Cut losses, accept you can't stop everything, and go after the ones that are actually seriously dangerous (cocaine, heroine, ecstasy, etc.)
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« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2005, 05:18:20 PM »
no one's ever od'd on marijuana, either.

not saying that marijuana has *no* potentially negative effects and should be unrestricted in useage. i'd mostly put it on par with booze in terms of restriction, if only for the security blanket effect it would have for the masses.

people who truly want to self-destruct will always find one way or another.
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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2005, 05:20:48 PM »
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no one's ever od'd on marijuana, either.


very true

i have lost a few hours tho

but i do that every night anyway so nevermind

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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2005, 05:39:03 PM »
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people who truly want to self-destruct will always find one way or another.


Exactly.
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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2005, 06:29:06 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2005, 10:32:52 PM »
The Mounties died because that a-hole ambushed them. He was a convicted pedophile, with a record of extreme violence and a menace to his community.
spothq you dont know anything about the situation so stfu. Dont make it sound like they deserved to die due to laws that YOU percieve as being stupid.

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« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2005, 10:43:32 PM »
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The Mounties died because that a-hole ambushed them. He was a convicted pedophile, with a record of extreme violence and a menace to his community.
 


I too, know nothing of the situation, but if he was all those things, what's pot got to do with it?
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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2005, 11:31:32 PM »
For everyone asking why pot is illegal, watch the movie "Grass". It tells you all you need to know. Names, dates and the insane dollar amounts spent.
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« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2005, 12:26:32 AM »
pot is a drug.

drugs are bad M'kay?

but hey, do what you gotta do, you only live once.

i dont view this tragedy as caused by 'pot'

the tragedy could have been over money, diamonds, property.....women...whatever!

drugs are the bain of society, and drug dealers are certainly criminals.

but smoking a joint quietly in your back garden with your best bud and laughing your arse off for a few hours never hurt nobody.

sure you can say this guy had to buy it off someone, therefore supporting criminal activity.

how about the rent you pay your landlord that he uses to fund a terrorist network?

how about the money you give to a homeless guy who goes and spends it on a bottle of jack and then procedes to jump infront of a train killing hundreds?




Pot is not the problem, human nature is.


unfortunately this means illegal drugs must STAY illegal and hard penalties must be payed for abuse of these laws.


blame human nature, dont blame a friggin plant that grows, and has grown naturally and been used peacefully by humans for thousands of years......
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« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2005, 01:00:10 AM »
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The Mounties died because that a-hole ambushed them. He was a convicted pedophile, with a record of extreme violence and a menace to his community.
spothq you dont know anything about the situation so stfu. Dont make it sound like they deserved to die due to laws that YOU percieve as being stupid.


So they were "pwned" is what you're saying.

The pot smoking pedophile was "One up" on em?

Sounds like top-notch police work their pre-constable.

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« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2005, 11:04:29 AM »
Like I said, you dont have a clue what went on. I'll leave you to your stupidity. I'm done wasting my time with the likes of you, on a BBS.

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« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2005, 11:54:36 AM »
In truth, this actually started when the Bailif showed up to reposses a truck. He was threatened, and the police were brought in to execute the warrant. While there, stolen property was discovered as well as a grow operation.

This guy had a pretty long criminal record and was known to be dangerous. Not a policing problem, rather a  problem with the laws and how the courts apply them.

I think I grabbed onto the Pot aspect of all this because it touched a nerve with me. I am going through this very discussion with my oldest daughter right now.

Should pot be legalized? I don't know for sure what that answer is, but my gut instinct tells me it should not.

I stand by the statement that those who buy, hold at least partial responsibilty for the harm caused indirectly because of that action.

Bottom line is it is illegal right now.

That being said, I smoke cigarettes. If they were a "new" thing they would probably be illegal.

So, I don't know the answer, but there is at least some pretty constructive debates going on here (if you can weed out the BS that trickles through).

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« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2005, 12:57:48 PM »
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Like I said, you dont have a clue what went on. I'll leave you to your stupidity. I'm done wasting my time with the likes of you, on a BBS.

Your lack of patience and tolerance will make you a fine constable. Having a limited view will take you far in life, alone, but far.

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« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2005, 12:59:51 PM »
Why tax it?

I think it should be legal to grow and consume, but illegal to sell.

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« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2005, 02:04:30 PM »
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Your lack of patience and tolerance will make you a fine constable. Having a limited view will take you far in life, alone, but far.


You insult him with a non-arguement and expect him to stick around and play your silly games?

How sandboxish.