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« Reply #60 on: April 18, 2005, 11:22:48 AM »
35 minutes the dogfight  between Hawker & Richthofen lasted. Unfortunately for Hawker, the wind blew them into German territory & he had to disengage which put Richthofen on his tail. Hawker plane could turn tighter, but Richthofens was faster. Manfred mentioned his opponent then did some silly loops then headed for his own lines.

Manfred learned later that evening that his opponent was Hawker. Manfred's 11th kill. Hawker had 9, but I have read that he actually had more but British kill counting had not really taken form yet, plus he flew many solo patrols & had no witnesses for his kills. He invented the double drum bullet stacking thing. He was the Brit equivalent to Boelke.

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« Reply #61 on: April 18, 2005, 04:04:09 PM »
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Bunch, If you mean how italian pilots did in China, well, no italian pilots fought there (as always, as far as I know).


Before the Flying Tigers
By Robert E. van Patten

 
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Fully 10 years before the advent of Claire Chennault's Flying Tigers, American pilots and airplanes were involved in an air war over China. What was to become the Sino-Japanese War in 1937 actually began with a Japanese incursion in Manchuria in 1931. This conflict festered for the next six years. In that period, pilots from the US, Britain, France, Italy, Russia, and probably Germany took part in battles in the skies over China.

With the exception of the Italian and Russian contingents, which were officially sanctioned by their governments, the pilots who trained the Chinese and who fought for them were adventurers, soldiers of fortune, and out-of-work military professionals....
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http://www.afa.org/magazine/june1999/0699tiger.asp

i've read similar things in a couple biographies of Chennault including Robert L. Scott's

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« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2005, 01:07:24 PM »
Thank you, Bunch, you teach me something I didn't know of!

What do these books say about italian involvement in this conflict? Digging around, I discovered that in 1934 a group of italian pilots and officers were sent in China to help forming the chinese air force: but I found no evidence that they actually engaged japanese forces(EDIT though it is likely happened: military counselors often get involved in actual combat). What do you know about it?
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« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2005, 01:42:28 PM »
IIRC Robert L. Scott's With Chennault in China[/i] has the most information on this topic, but i get the impression that  Scott is a bit willing to sacrifice accuracy for excitement

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« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2005, 03:08:55 PM »
Thanks for the info, Bunch.
Err..... pardon my ignorance, what does IIRC mean?
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