Kill Stealing

[JB35]

LOL I always try yo steal JB42's kills , and I must admit Im pretty dang good at it too

[Kegger26]

Originally posted by Cobra412

BTW Kegger what's your callsign in the game. I don't want to mistakingly give you a 6 call since it's YOUR responsibility in the first place. Wonder why HTC programmed that in the first place. I also wouldn't want to help you out when you get in a jam because again it's YOUR responsibility not to get yourself in that position to start off with. Also since we are on the subject what crew are you in so I can make sure to give them the same treatment as you have suggested?

 Well since I dont fly with anyone except my wingman and fellow squadmates. I dont think I will need your check six. You crying about getting killed becuase you didnt get a check six is just plain sad bro. Get over it. It is your job FIRST to cover your own six. Then others.
 
 Elfie I wasnt talking about them dropping the VH, they should. I am talking about them dropping the VH just so they can vulch in peace. Meanwhile never even heading to the town to drop it. There only goal is to land some kills. Not take the feild. Like I said it has become Dood with wings. There is very little teamwork going on in AH anymore.

[Cobra412]

I will take your advice and fly only for myself and my squadmates. Thanks for enlightening me.

Oh and by the way never cried about not getting a 6 call. Just won't give them to those who don't do it themselves nor their team mates. What comes around goes around.

If we all took your advice their would be no need for the word team only me, myself and I. And you wonder why there is no "team work" going on anymore. You only worry about you and your squadmates, how convienent.

[1Klink]

It should be about getting rid of all the enemy planes.

Cobra is dead on the money about clearing people.

I have always made it a habit too keep looking around me at all times,but there is this little thing i call TARGET LOCK.

It's when you clear a friendly's 6 and while doing so they go back too vulching and don,t help you get the enemy that was on your 6,that has 2-3 friends now clearing thier 6 and you die in the process.Pilots are kill happy in this game and soundz too me alot of pilots can,t stand too hear the truth.

I don,t however agree with Cobra that you should look up too see if the dummy pilot is in a squad and choose too treat his squaddies the same as the dummy pilot.What did they do?

I give check 6 calls out like people at church when i can,and thats usually a whole lot.

You should learn not too take things personnaly it is after all a GAME!

And keep in mind that alot of pilots don,t even know what the check 6 key is,just the other night i was winged up with a pilot who has been playing this GAME for over 2 1/2 years and was totally surprised when he asked me what the check 6 key was.





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[Cobra412]

Reason is simple Klink. People will only correct their team mates actions if they are also held accountable. If they know they won't get support because they have selfish teammates then they'll press the issue. If not then they'll suffer the consequences of being alone amongst their "countrymen" with no help or support when they need it the most.

If I don't give help or give a 6 call for this exact reason and someone asks why I didn't do anything I'll tell them straight out why I didn't help. If they don't choose to correct the situation then the cycle will continue. No skin off my back and why would I waste the time to help if they can't do the same in return.

I know who out there is willing to help at any time. I also know who may or may not help. I also know who wouldn't help at all and is only out for themselves. I keep tabs on these kind of people cause some are worth helping because I know I can rely on them. Others are plain out selfish salamanders who you can't rely at all.

[Kweassa]

There are always brats in the family.

 Brats are taught, socialized, and eventually come to learn what is acceptable and not acceptable in terms of ethics.

 You don't make laws for that kind of stuff. Nor should anyone ever expect the police to come after brats because they are behaving badly.
 
 So if someone's ruining the game and stealing your kills, then everybody around him should pitch in and leave a remark or two. Unless somehow that guy is truly "evil" to the core, he'll get what the others mean sooner or later.

[Joker312]

kill stealing is an art just like anything else in this game. I make it a point to shoot at anything I can get my guns on.

[Elfie]

Elfie I wasnt talking about them dropping the VH, they should. I am talking about them dropping the VH just so they can vulch in peace. Meanwhile never even heading to the town to drop it. There only goal is to land some kills. Not take the feild. Like I said it has become Dood with wings. There is very little teamwork going on in AH anymore.

I rarely carry ordnance, it's mostly a waste for me to carry it since I have difficulty even hitting the ground with bombs at times.


Not everyone plays the game to win it. I know I dont. I also wont burn ammunition on town buildings unless 1) I am scoring the run as *attack* 2) it's for a squaddie. My gunnery score is the one score I really keep track of. If I am on a fighter mission and I burn my ammo on buildings, all those rounds fired count as misses. This really screws up the hit%. The hit % is the only way to definatively watch my progress (or lack of) with my gunnery skills.

Once I am satisfied with my gunnery, the above may change. Until then dont count on it

[LTARokit]

Originally posted by Elfie
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 I have seen far more times where a single gv has ruined a base capture or held it up for 20 minutes than I have of a single fighter getting up from a capped field.

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he he he...............yas don't have worry bout the GV's, or the vh (he said as he snickered).  

[Boozer2]

Generally I could care less, my 8 .50's get enough kill credits away from the loser that I can afford the trade off when someone dives insanely to chew my pieces. Excet tonight!!

 I work grmrpr over on flight one and head back to A42 knowing he's gonna come again. grm comes 1 or 2k high from 22k or so, and I work him down to 5k before I finally own his tail and take it off. Some nice friend flys in and waxes the parts...*sigh*  Grm knew It was me that beat him again, but still.

 That'll teach him to leave my squad, BK's suck

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Cobra412
Keep preaching Kegger because frankly I don't give a chit. I've always got my head on a swivel looking to clear myself and looking to give 6 calls to friendlies. Maybe if I weren't worrying about not only myself but everyone else around me then I wouldn't need a check 6. I could pay attention to my 6 constantly and disregard the rest of the action that isn't a direct threat to me. Wait that would make me like the rest of the people around here.

When I sit there and watch a bird crawling up my 6 with a friendly on them and the friendly never bothers to give a 6 call in the process (whether I see them or not), screw them. Paybacks are a squeak and one persons actions will bring this kind of payback to their whole crew. Maybe then they'll learn that if they expect to get help when they need it the most or get a 6 call then they'll give the same to others.

I've watched people do this one to many times and typicall it's the same crews who do it. You can't trust flying in the same AOR with them because they don't care about helping friendlies. They only care about their next kill. They are the same salamanders that when you jump in to save their arse because they're being overwhelmed they will bail on you the second they get cleared and the enemy starts concentrating on you.

Maybe I'll just start doing like everyone else does. I'll let those who are being overwhelmed die and go on my merry way or I'll use them for bait. I'll only pay attention to my 6 and I'll unmap my range mic and unmap my check 6 call key since they won't be necessary anymore.

Frankly if they don't like it then they'll learn to be a team player or suffer the consequences. One persons actions will affect their whole crew especially in cases like this. I've sacrificed my position multiple times to help a friendly who's being overwhelmed regardless if they got themselves in that position in the first place. 8 times out of 10 that person will bail on me the second they get the chance and leave me with the horde while they race home to mommy.

BTW Kegger what's your callsign in the game. I don't want to mistakingly give you a 6 call since it's YOUR responsibility in the first place. Wonder why HTC programmed that in the first place. I also wouldn't want to help you out when you get in a jam because again it's YOUR responsibility not to get yourself in that position to start off with. Also since we are on the subject what crew are you in so I can make sure to give them the same treatment as you have suggested?

Wassup Brother Braunco?  Cobra, Kegger goes by "Spot" in the MA.  I'll save you the legwork.

Karaya

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Cobra412

When I sit there and watch a bird crawling up my 6 with a friendly on them and the friendly never bothers to give a 6 call in the process (whether I see them or not), screw them. Paybacks are a squeak and one persons actions will bring this kind of payback to their whole crew.  

If you saw them you were probably already starting to do evasives, if your doing evasives you obviously dont need a 6 call.
And even if you havent started doing evasives yet. you saw the badguy so you still didnt need the chk6

Had this happen to me once. about a year or so ago
 A jug dives on on a countryman and said countryman immediately goes into evasives.

so I dive in on the jug. Jug ends up killing said countryman before I could close enough for the shot.

so whats the guy do?
He pops on the radio complaining to everyone how I didnt give him a 6 call.

Well if you were already doing evasives what the hell did you need my 6 call for? You obviously knew he was there.
 I personally am not going to give a 6 call to someone when its obvious they know an enemy is behind them.

Nobody and I mean nobody is more responcable for your 6 then you. If you get a 6 call consider it a gift and say "rgr thank you". If you dont..oh well.

This whole payback thing is kinda petty.

I'll give 6 calls when I can and will do my best to clear anyones 6 whenever I can.
But I dont piss and moan when I dont get one or dont get my 6 cleared. Ok well maybe I do sometimes to myself. LOL
 But I certainly dont hold any grudges over it.

[Kegger26]

Hehe,

As if Cobra is ever going to be saving my hide in the MA. That is what squadies are for. I have never said I dont give someone a check six or clear there six. We do. But crying becuase someone didnt give you one is just lame. Where is your SA? What happens when you are alone in the mix with three emy planes? What then? You have to be looking back almost. Why not fly like that all the time?

 Karaya, You act as if you know some super secret about me. You take the time to call me by my old name all the time in game. The reason I switched names, is due to the fact after takeing a short break from the game I came back to find someone with the name of SEKegger. Not wanting someone to wear the same name as me, I changed it.

 First I went with Jester. I then foundout there are already a handfull of Jesters in game. So after a few confusing dog fights with two three other "Jesters". I changed it to Spot. Why do you think you know my old screen name? If it was some secret that wasnt supposed to get out, you wouldnt have had it. So enough with the "I know somthing about Kegger" kick.

 You Karaya are one of those guys I was refering to. You get pissed when somthing doesnt go your way. First thing you do is start crying about on country channle. "Come on rooks lets go" or "I am about to join Bish, I am tired of this". How long have you been playing Karaya two-three years? And you act like that? Where is the loyalty? My squad is a rook squad. And that is where we will stay. Win or lose, it doesnt matter.

 Elfie, I have flown with you plenty of times. You are a good stick. You take the time to clear other ppl's six. I have noted that. I also have two or three flims where our squad has helped save yours. As for not carrying ord, you are also one of the ones I DO see hitting the town. Most dont carry ord and they are only there to vulch. This is why one tank can hold up a capture for 30 mins.

 The rooks had a diffrent way of doing things. Some guy will call it hording, we called it the rook roll. About 20 of us would up and smash the hell out of the feild. THe goon would be there within the first 10 mins. Once we took the feild we would all hit the hot pad and re-up. You almost never see this anymore.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Kegger26
Hehe,

 The rooks had a diffrent way of doing things. Some guy will call it hording, we called it the rook roll. About 20 of us would up and smash the hell out of the feild. THe goon would be there within the first 10 mins. Once we took the feild we would all hit the hot pad and re-up. You almost never see this anymore.

I'll do the honors

Thats "hording"
Particularly because it tended to be done primarily against bases that only had a couple defenders at it.

but thats a subject for another thread

[Cobra412]

Dredlock for starters I don't always start maneuvering the second I see someone behind me. I'm patient and wait for the right time to maneuver depending on my opponent, their aircraft, my current E and altitude state. Hence how I've seen more than once a so-called "friendly" chasing a con right up to me without ever saying a word or giving out a 6 call.

I also never stated anything about me maneuvering and then squeaking about no 6 calls. I know it's hard to comprehend but I gave a very accurate description of what I've seen and consider selfish acts. Considering it's the same crews doing it over and over again it's not some random event. You might want to go back and reread my earlier post. I don't understand why you'd have to considering you quoted one of the items I was talking about.

 

Your right Spot you won't have to worry about me saving your hide or giving you a 6 call and neither will any of your squadmates. The only person who seems to be crying here is yourself. You don't like how I choose to deal with selfish players. Not once did I state I would do this to just any random player. I'm very aware of who I can trust and I'd give up any advantageous postion I may have just to help them even if it means putting myself in a dangerous position or getting killed just to clear them. I'll leave that up to your squadmates if I ever see you around though.

Why exactly would you care so much if I chose to do this to selfish players and their squadmates in the first place? Are you feeling a little guilty or maybe it's because you have some selfish squadmates of your own? If neither of these are the case then stfu and move along. Frankly it's none of your business how I choose to deal with such players and you only look like a fool defending these same selfish idiots.

One last note Kegger if I really needed any kind of training you'd be the last person here I'd go to for help. I'm very capable in one vs. many engagements. I'm sure though looking behind me constantly is the only proper way to deal with such a situation. Whatever would I do without you.