Author Topic: What is corner velocity for P47D11? (Read 3624 times)

YUCCA · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:28:19 PM »

And i believe sun was the one gloating.

mechanic · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2005, 06:21:23 PM »

yucca is a god.

Virage · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2005, 06:50:41 PM »

S! Cobra

bustr · « **Reply #33 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:11:10 PM »

YUCCA, you meanie, now they'll start acussing you of acting like Shane......

mechanic · « **Reply #34 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:30:22 PM »

S! Virage.

still have film of that bf109g6 VS P47d40

i watch it often

YUCCA · « **Reply #35 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:34:26 PM »

But tango did answer my question. S! tango

And i have no hard feeligns towards you cobra, but just pointing out you shouldnt make assumptions

YUCCA · « **Reply #36 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:41:48 PM »

Feel bad bout what i said, and i do see what you mean going on a fair bit cobra but I think you could have waited to make an example out of someone who was actually "belittling" them or what not. As far as training goes there are many people out there i have helped and might i state THAT I HELPED YOU IN THE DA. Maybe i should be a little sour at the fact that i help people not just you, who come back to bite me in the arse. Close to half the players i ever helped out come back and insult me after i take time to help them. Well now im all fired up again.

bustr · « **Reply #37 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:49:25 PM »

Ooops....thanks guys now he's mad and that means he won't let the rest of the squad have any kills. Do any of you flying squirrels know what it's remotly like having to beg cons to stay away from him becuase he's smacking em down before you can get lined up.......And just to be cute he'll do it in a Val or a spit1 or something dorky..........thanks alot...............

YUCCA · « **Reply #38 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:55:07 PM »

Well i mean seriously heres a guy that he said "shane wouldnt help, he'd just belittle" him when helping him. So i take him to the DA and give him some pointers tellin him tips showing him stuff. And he feels the need to make me out to be someone sho goes out of my way to belittle noobs. I've posted training films in this "help and training" section in the forums as well as taken people to the DA.

mechanic · « **Reply #39 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:58:41 PM »

does shooting me down repeatedly count as training?

but seriously dont sweat it yucster, cobra musta been having a bad day.

and whoeverr said suntracker was a noob????

DipStick · « **Reply #40 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:03:16 PM »

Me thinks someone has PMS, is definately NOT one of the 'good old boys' and is a shoe-in for newest member of the JG54th.

stantond · « **Reply #41 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:19:17 PM »

Knowing the corner speed (with and without flaps) is good information. It's not that hard to get. Take the plane up to the speed where you can just pull 6 g's. Lets say that is 238 mph, which sounds reasonable. Get a stopwatch to time a 180 degree turn. Time the turn while diving to maintain 240 mph speed while pulling 6 g's. Divide 180 by the number of seconds and you have the deg/sec turn rate of the plane at corner speed. Do the same thing with various levels of flaps (as allowed) and fuel loads to make a complete envelope.

To make a 'more complete' picture, this same information needs to be found for other planes you plan to fight (the 'popular' planes). This same information is sometimes called the max instantaneous turn rate or maximum instantaneous turn speed since both are related.

Just to let you know, this is not the fastest instantaneous turn rate in AH. The fastest instantaneous turn rate occurs during a snap roll followed by a shallow dive reversal with full flaps at just above stall speed. The P47 has a prety good snap roll and recovery is not hard.

Regards,

Malta

Zaphod · « **Reply #42 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:37:42 PM »

Well crap.....I can't even read the graph. Back to closing my eyes and hopin for the best.

Zaphod

Widewing · « **Reply #43 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:56:41 PM »

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Originally posted by pellik

The d11 is a stall fighter, maintaining some fast flat turn isn't going to do you squat good.

Instantanious turn charts for the 47d11 we have in AH need to include flap deployment to be useful.

-p.

Yeah, the P-47s are very good with the flaps out, but most of the American fighters and all of the Japanese fighters will abuse it in a low-speed brawl. As for the Spits and Hurricanes.... Well, we know what that result will be.

In a stall fight, two factors dominate. Turn radius and ability to get the nose high. Flaps add tremendous drag. Planes like the P-47D-11 and F4U-1 simply lack the ability to get their nose up high enough with that much drag. REDD and I tested the F4U-1 against the F6F-5. The Corsair offers better initial turn. However, once the flaps are out, the F6F can get the nose up and climb where the F4U simply wallows. Eventually, the Hellcat will win. Likewise, any P-38 will dominate the P-47D-11 in a stall fight... easily in fact.

You can win against inferior pilots, you can win by surprising someone who didn't expect the Jug to maneuver at 150 mph. You can beat the guy with little experience. However, meeting your equal in a plane more suited to low-speed fighting will likely mean getting shot down.

I'd reserve stall fighting for those occasions when you have no other choice and there's no other bad guys nearby.

My regards,

Widewing

Shane · « **Reply #44 on:** April 19, 2005, 11:51:57 PM »

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Originally posted by YUCCA
Well i mean seriously heres a guy that he said "shane wouldnt help, he'd just belittle" him when helping him.

lol, wtf?!?

care to name that clueless backtarded wuckfit?

no idea how he'd have that impression since it's so totally wrong.

i don't belittle noobs... i belittle weenies with enough time in game to be more clued in than they are.

if you're referring to cobra, pay him no mind - he's just bitter recognition of his greatness has gone unnoticed.