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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2005, 04:52:50 PM »
Some of you trollers are self evident, but for the rest here goes.

You can not equate Modern day christians with God's children of the old testiment.  Likewise you cannot take things (especially out of context) from the old testiment and apply them to christians of today.

A new deal has been struck  (see: covinent SP)

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you can bring up all the old testiment stuff you want but truth be told this is the meat and potatoes.  Beleive in christ and that he died for your sins.  Repent your sins before god.  Live in christs way and God's light will shine apon you.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2005, 05:04:52 PM »
Not all Christians believe that the 10 Commandments are no longer God's Law.

And yes, I think God lives by his own laws.  The flood and distruction of Sodom and Gomorra did not break any of His laws.

God is the ultimate judge and jury.  The Bible says that the people before the flood and in the two cities were so wicked that God could not let it go on.  What they exactly did to cross the line we don't know, but God was forced to deal out their judgment a little earlier than normal.  For all we know His actions saved humanity from its own distruction.

The sixth commandment says thou shalt not murder.  For God to deal out Judgment is not murder.

I don't understand the Mary question.
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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2005, 05:17:34 PM »
OK, reall question.  You guys realize that all these books and stories have been writen by humans, right?  You also understand that they have been translated from one lunguage to an other repeatedly by humans, right?  

What is it then that makes someone assume that all this is real?  Why do you assume that just because you were born in a serten place, by serten parents, and you were told what religion you are, all the others are wrong and only the select few got it right?  To help you understand the question.  I was born in Greece by Christian orthodox parents in a Christian orthodox country.  From the moment I was born I was told that WE got it right and you guys are wrong.  Thats the same thing you were told about the rest of us.  So, who is right then?
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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2005, 05:27:07 PM »
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OK, reall question.  You guys realize that all these books and stories have been writen by humans, right?  You also understand that they have been translated from one lunguage to an other repeatedly by humans, right?  

What is it then that makes someone assume that all this is real?  Why do you assume that just because you were born in a serten place, by serten parents, and you were told what religion you are, all the others are wrong and only the select few got it right?  To help you understand the question.  I was born in Greece by Christian orthodox parents in a Christian orthodox country.  From the moment I was born I was told that WE got it right and you guys are wrong.  Thats the same thing you were told about the rest of us.  So, who is right then?


It's called Faith

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Religon is an IDEA created by MAN to be closer to GOD

Were as CHRIST was FLESH created by GOD to be closer to MAN!
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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2005, 05:35:31 PM »
It's Faith, you either have it or you don't.  I grew up Baptist, with Baptist parents, Baptist grandparents, etc.  I found I didnt agree with everything our Pastor said on Sundays, heard a few things that made me doubt the relevance, or even the proper translation of the Bible I grew up with.  I still believed at the core in SOMETHING, but didnt know what.  So I learned about what else was there.  I studied Judaism, and how early Christianity took its forms from it.  I studied Islam, and how it is indisputably just as linked to Judaism as Christianity is, despite modern attempts to separate them.  I went to Catholic priests and discussed philosophy and theology with them, went to services in their Church (although I did not take Communion with them).  Later, I talked to Bhuddists and Shinto worshippers.  I studied Aikido and learned about their peculiar blend of the two.  I studied and practiced with Native American shamans and modern day Druids and Wiccans.  Everywhere you go, there is a central belief in something, some BEING, above us all, a Creator.  And then after all that, I went back and re-read the Bible.  Plain old KJV, and all those conspiracy theories I used to have floating around in my head were revealed as nonsense.  The Word is plain enough, if you read it with the intent of finding what you need.  If you read it with the intent to find problems or inconsistencies, you haven't opened the right door.  I can't give you Truth, no one can.  If you expect to see something wrong, you will.  Faith is funny like that.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2005, 05:37:49 PM »
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OK, reall question.  You guys realize that all these books and stories have been writen by humans, right?  You also understand that they have been translated from one lunguage to an other repeatedly by humans, right?  

What is it then that makes someone assume that all this is real?  Why do you assume that just because you were born in a serten place, by serten parents, and you were told what religion you are, all the others are wrong and only the select few got it right?  To help you understand the question.  I was born in Greece by Christian orthodox parents in a Christian orthodox country.  From the moment I was born I was told that WE got it right and you guys are wrong.  Thats the same thing you were told about the rest of us.  So, who is right then?


Good questions.  Most Christians believe that the Bible was given to us through God and that He has ensured its meaning has stayed pure throuout the centuries.  The dead sea scrolls seem to indicate that very little if anything has changed.

As for knowing your religion is right just because your parents said so, I think is like playing Russian roulette.  Every person must study for themselves the Bible and let the Holy Spirit guide them to the truth.  Just reading it like a history book will do you no good.  You must pray and seek for answers to your questions with an open heart and God will reward your efforts.  It is by a personal relationship with God and being Christlike that we are saved.

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Luke 11:10 - For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2005, 05:40:16 PM »
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OK, reall question.  You guys realize that all these books and stories have been writen by humans, right?  You also understand that they have been translated from one lunguage to an other repeatedly by humans, right?  

What is it then that makes someone assume that all this is real?  Why do you assume that just because you were born in a serten place, by serten parents, and you were told what religion you are, all the others are wrong and only the select few got it right?  To help you understand the question.  I was born in Greece by Christian orthodox parents in a Christian orthodox country.  From the moment I was born I was told that WE got it right and you guys are wrong.  Thats the same thing you were told about the rest of us.  So, who is right then?


Exactly,  to me, the best part of any religion is the philosophy, the real meat and potatoes.  I will never assume that I am some kind of "chosen one" just because of the place that I was born, or that presise interpretation will get me some kind of reward. If all a religion requires is the exceptance of it's god or gods, give me the pamplet, because all the rest is just filler.  To me the existence of Christ, Guatama, or whomever is irrelevant to the philosophy.

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2005, 05:47:05 PM »
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OK, reall question.  You guys realize that all these books and stories have been writen by humans, right?  You also understand that they have been translated from one lunguage to an other repeatedly by humans, right?  

What is it then that makes someone assume that all this is real?  Why do you assume that just because you were born in a serten place, by serten parents, and you were told what religion you are, all the others are wrong and only the select few got it right?  To help you understand the question.  I was born in Greece by Christian orthodox parents in a Christian orthodox country.  From the moment I was born I was told that WE got it right and you guys are wrong.  Thats the same thing you were told about the rest of us.  So, who is right then?

Just to set the record straight, the official stance of the Orthodox Church is that salvation can definitely be found within her, but they don't pretend to know what will happen to those that are not part of Orthodoxy.  Orthodoxy says that's for God to sort out, not men.
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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2005, 06:08:43 PM »
Were there not innocents in Sodom and Gomora, and during the great flood? It always seemed to me that someone with "god powers" took some pretty broadsweeps. In in those sweeps I'm sure there were "innocents", which means in essence god must have committed murder. Which throws the whole semantic definition of "thou shalt not kill" argument out the window.

And then theres sending people to be judged. I understood God judged you when you died and ended up outside the pearly gates. That your actions on earth decided your fate. And that bad people like Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler didn't get smited because thats not the way it works - ie they do their time on earth then get judged by god.

Yet in direct contradiction to this we have god smiting the entire planet, cities, and odd individuals from time to time.

I also don't get the whole flood the earth, nuke a couple of cities to start again then later when his people go off the rails a 3rd time he sends his son whom he sacrifices. Don't know about you but the god seems a little fast to pass the buck and let others take the fall for failures in his grand design.

Sometimes this christian god sounds just a little to "human" to me, to many flaws ;)

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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2005, 06:21:28 PM »
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Were there not innocents in Sodom and Gomora, and during the great flood? It always seemed to me that someone with "god powers" took some pretty broadsweeps. In in those sweeps I'm sure there were "innocents", which means in essence god must have committed murder. Which throws the whole semantic definition of "thou shalt not kill" argument out the window.

And then theres sending people to be judged. I understood God judged you when you died and ended up outside the pearly gates. That your actions on earth decided your fate. And that bad people like Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler didn't get smited because thats not the way it works - ie they do their time on earth then get judged by god.

Yet in direct contradiction to this we have god smiting the entire planet, cities, and odd individuals from time to time.

I also don't get the whole flood the earth, nuke a couple of cities to start again then later when his people go off the rails a 3rd time he sends his son whom he sacrifices. Don't know about you but the god seems a little fast to pass the buck and let others take the fall for failures in his grand design.

Sometimes this christian god sounds just a little to "human" to me, to many flaws ;)


there may or may not have been innocents BUT iirc there were a few familys that were instructed by God to leave the city and not look back.

EDIT: also I beleive god gave them plenty of warning and they laughed at him.

As they were leaving one of the woman looked back and was turned into salt.  That may have been babylon, I can't remember.
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2005, 06:31:38 PM »
actually it was lot's wife leaving sodom.

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« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2005, 06:31:56 PM »
You had it right Gunslinger.  That was Lot's wife.  God sent angels to search for anyone in the cities who deserved saving.  Only Lot and his family were found to hold to God and his laws still, and were spared.  They were told not to look back, to have faith and they would be saved.  Lot's wife doubted and looked back towards their home, and was turned into a pillar of salt.

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« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2005, 06:32:05 PM »
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I think god, knows who, and who cant understand the religion. Maybe if
they parents were saved?:confused:


Confused is right.

So if you can't understand the religion you go to heaven?

I would be interested in any documentation of this loophole.
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« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2005, 06:37:35 PM »
Children don't go to hell because they dont understand the difference between right and wrong.  They are innocents.

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« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2005, 06:41:21 PM »
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Confused is right.

So if you can't understand the religion you go to heaven?

I would be interested in any documentation of this loophole.


I allways wondered about this.  There's millions of sould through out time that had absolutly ZERO exposure to the word of God by no fault of their own.  Does this mean they are condemned.