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Offline rabbidrabbit

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« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2005, 05:49:48 PM »
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Demonstrate one place I lied.

You can't becuase I didn't.  Not once.

You on the other hand, being the type of person who can't handle being contradicted or shown to be wrong, did.   When shown there was in fact a counter argument that had, contrary to your statement that there was not, an argument against it you choose to retroactively change your position and then slander me with the accusation of kissing up to the developers of a game that I do not even play anymore.

You can't handle a discussion and so you took potshots at me.  If you're going to take potshots at me you damn well better be ready to take fire because I will fire back at you.

You, sir, are a liar and hypocrite.  Typical internet smack talking juvenile.


Show me one place where I lied.  Good luck.  Your comment was so pathetically stupid it deserved no more than to be tossed back over the fence with the rest of the crap.

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« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2005, 06:10:29 PM »
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« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2005, 06:30:23 PM »
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
whether an opinon is right or wrong is a matter of opinion.

Whine?  show me a whine from me?  I stated an opinion, HT stated his.. its all good with me since its not my game.  


If you look you will see that I did not start the thread.  Because HT has Killshooter the way he does many folks feel they are beeing improperly punished for something beyond their control.  This is true thanks to warping planes and greedy players.  My solution gives the benefit of the doubt to the person instead.  Because he chooses this route he will see dozens more threads just like this.  Another good example of the same situation is the gv's spawning in trees issue. There already have been at least 7 threads on folks losing tigers because they spawn into trees and get stuck, hence losing the perks for no fault of their own.  Until the situation changes you will see dozens more threads on both issues since folks have a valid point.  Does it mean HT should change it? Thats his call not mine.  I'm just tossing in some constructive points.  Note that this is unlike anything you have added to this thread.  If you actually thought about my solution you would realize its actually more severe than HT's.  How you can think I'm whining when I'm suggesting something more severe is beyond what most people would consider rational thought.




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« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2005, 06:47:24 PM »
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My point is from being on the receiving side of killshooter. Many time folks hit others not because they were particulary stupid but due to warpages or some hero doing something stupid to get hit. You rarely hear from someone saying "I was shooting directly over the head of the guy in front of me to steal the kill and he pulled up into it" do you?

My point is how a percieved injusticed is handled. You will hear a lot less from folks over losing their ammo than taking damage or getting shot down due to this. In reality, losing ammo will cost the KSer more time out of the fight but folks will see it as more fair.


 There is no 'injustice'.

 SA applies to everything that's happening around you. Keeping track with the relative positions of friendly aircraft is as important as keeping track of enemy aircraft, both in real life and in the game. All the more in the game, since the MA, whether or not someone should say differently, is basically a 'team game', and the absence of fear of death often exaggerates one's motives and movementsto a higher peak.

 Every KS is avoidable. Even if some salamander jumps in front of you, if you were keeping track of him it could easily be foreseen. You're given with a choice either to hold back the trigger and resolve and coordinate things out with your friendlies nearby before any such "accidents" happen, or blindedly trust the general consensus shared by MANY people but never ALL people.

 KS happens when either end, or in many cases, BOTH ends of the KS were doing something wrong. I have NEVER seen an "innocent KS". Friendlies don't come out of hyperspace in front of you. Failure of SA, and failure of coordination is what causes the KS and both sides are equally to blame.

 And like straffo says, failure in SA, and accidental shootings, demand repercussions. Like Karnak or SlapShot mentions, such failure should result in some sort of immediate death/damage, as it should in real life. And, like I replied to Naytch, once the KS loses its lethality it basically loses all meaning in regards to what is keeping the minimal situationary discpline and coordination alive amongst multiple engagements.

 It is already fair. What you are suggesting is 'unfair', as it means cutting slack for people who clearly did something wrong.

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« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2005, 09:17:38 AM »
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I do understand the arguement and it's not unreasonable.  My point is from being on the receiving side of killshooter.  Many time folks hit others not because they were particulary stupid but due to warpages or some hero doing something stupid to get hit.  You rarely hear from someone saying "I was shooting directly over the head of the guy in front of me to steal the kill and he pulled up into it" do you?  

My point is how a percieved injusticed is handled.  You will hear a lot less from folks over losing their ammo than taking damage or getting shot down due to this.  In reality, losing ammo will cost the KSer more time out of the fight but folks will see it as more fair.

Thats my point.  Thats why I said early on that it would result in less angst in thread after thread.  I respect HT's decision to leave or change it any way he feels fit since it's his game not mine.


Kweassa, BTW, the spawn issue is not technically a bug since it works as designed.  It was simply an unconsidered result of poor design.


If your overall point is to try and relieve angst ... it won't happen.

You will just have moved the angst sore spot from one area to another which in turn will generate threads and posts.

KillShooter cannot be without causing someone angst ... simple as that. HT has decided exactly where the sore spot will be and he is more than happy with it, since before I started playing this game.
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« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2005, 09:41:21 AM »
Fair enough.

This isn't about one way or another.  As I said repeatedly, I have no issue with whats there beyond saying I think my suggestion would be considered more reasonable by more people.  It's simply a issue of opinion since we are not able to test the issue.  I'm not fool enough to demand one way is better than another and those who disagree with me are lesser humans just because of that.  They are simply 2 different ways of doing something.

The fun part is watching Karnak get all torqued up over something he has no stake in.  I'll admit it was pretty fun to get his ego all pumped up and watch him beat his chest like an ape but it's become a bit old now...>  Seriously Karnak, whats your priorities?

This horse is way dead now so I'll bail..

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« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2005, 01:37:10 PM »
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Doesn't account for the guy who dives in in-front of you, or cuts across you while firing. Or the best one, the guy who decides to try and ho the guy whos 6 you are on.


Actually more than one squad runs killshooter contests....goal is to wipe out the longest conga line...but you have to actually kill the con for it to count...my record is 5 I think....nothing like barrel rolling a tiffie thru a cloud of green swatting the offending lala and zooming back up to the clouds with a cloud of parts waffting on the wind behind you:aok

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« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2005, 10:42:14 PM »
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You can be prooved wrong by a person? So for a comeback you bring up that im am a teen, and blah blah blah. That stuff is played, and lame...



proved wrong? lol i just explained why i missed the bit of info that you threw up there. I could care less how old or young you are, but most of ur posts are babble.

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« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2005, 12:28:41 PM »
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How about a double kill shooter. If a friendly comes infront of you and makes you get killshot he should die to. You get killed for not watching before you shot and he dies for getting in the way. There problem solved for both ends.



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It is your responsibilty to make sure it is clear to shoot.


Why is this so hard to understand?

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« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2005, 01:03:03 PM »
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I really love how in this game/simulation being a "Teen" Gives you some kind of bad rep. To most people I bet if someone asked you what do you do on most of your offtime, and you replyied with I play a simulation/game called aceshigh you being
and "Adult". Than a teen saying he plays it most of his offtime. playing games for most of there days. I bet it would look worse for an "Adult" to play this for a long time than a teen. Personally it shouldnt matter, but some of you guys who play aceshigh. Have such a low tolerance against "Teens" Witch personally pisses me off. In a few online sims i have never seen this type of treatment. I really think you guys should grow up and see threw age. Age means nothing in this game, and you bringing up that im a teen, and that i live any diffrent from you is dumb and pointless. You can be prooved wrong by a person? So for a comeback you bring up that im am a teen, and blah blah blah. That stuff is played, and lame...


To sum it up in a nutshell, most "teens' think they know everything about everything when in fact they know very little about anything and they will absolutely not accept the fact that someone "older" than them knows more about a given situation than they do.

As far as age in this game goes, it means quite a bit where it concerns some people. This is one "game" where experience rules. Some of the "older' players have many years of experience which you should sit back, shut up and respect.

If you think i'm an age bigot your wrong. I regularly fly with a 13 yr old who has more maturaty and class than you.