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Offline Krusher

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« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2005, 08:27:44 AM »
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Originally posted by GScholz3
Ireland is rich? When did this happen? A friend of mine worked in Ireland for about a year; she told me everything was worn down and that the country looked dirt poor. She moved to Scotland.



Irelands growth is averaging 7% in 1995-2004. Per capita GDP is 10% above that of the four big European economies and the second highest in the EU behind Luxembourg.



It sounds like it is doing well to me.

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« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2005, 08:58:24 AM »
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As I read it, part of the reason for the no vote in France was that they were afraid the EU was heading down the road of Anglo American style economics. The kind of economics that makes America so successful and the kind of economics that made my country one of the richest in Europe after years of being a second rate supplier of immigrants to the US and Britain. The kind of economics that the newly joined Eastern Europeans are copying having seen how well it worked in Ireland. Which means one day all old left leaning social welfare countries like France and Germany and it seems Holland will be in decline and be supported by the newly affluent Poland, Hungary etc etc.


Don't forget Ireland has done very well out of European subsidies, receiving 3 - 6% of GDP per year from European central funds throught the 1980s and 1990s (and Ireland, as of 2004, still got more money per head of population out of Europe than any other country. The UK, France and Germany are all net contributors, not beneficaries)

Certainly Ireland's economic policies have helped, it's quite easy for a country to piss away incoming foreign aid, but those low taxes have come in part because other Europeans were picking up your tax bill. (as of 2001 European subsidies were still worth an extra 4% on income tax)

I don't think the rest of Europe is going to be prepared to give the new European countries enough money for them to go the same way as Ireland. (In fact it's not even possible. Ireland has a small population, to extend the same level of aid to all the new eastern European countries would be prohibitive)
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« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2005, 09:02:24 AM »
couple of points..  is that guy in the picture a product of socialised "dentistry" ( I use the term loosely)?

and... it is now "selfish" to want to get the standard of living of your own country up over that of some former enemy who screwed up his own economy with some backward tyranny that he claimed was suprerior at the time?

and..

It sure looks like it is about time for the euro barbarians to invite everyone to another of their world war parties.

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« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2005, 09:07:37 AM »
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Being a perv is part of our nationality, ever heard the name "Dutroux" ?  :D

That's what I'll use If I ever need to offend a Belgian...:) :( :rolleyes:

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« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2005, 09:30:01 AM »
with a view like that in the mirror, no wonder they turn their grief towards the US

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« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2005, 09:45:39 AM »
Well, sorry Eagler... I'd rather butt*** one of those guys than Condy! that thing is scarier than an alien!

  ... and again, I ask you: Point me to a thread where I "turned my grief" towards the US. Look hard.
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« Reply #66 on: June 02, 2005, 10:34:01 AM »
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Originally posted by Krusher
Irelands growth is averaging 7% in 1995-2004. Per capita GDP is 10% above that of the four big European economies and the second highest in the EU behind Luxembourg.



It sounds like it is doing well to me.

Using the growth of a country which was  retarded is not really fair.

Plus a good part of this growth is due to the subside Ireland got from the EU.

Let speak again when they will have contributed like the others.

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« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2005, 12:36:35 PM »
Nashwan, Straffo and Gscholz that is all bull manure and hogwash. I don't have time to answer fully right now. I'll get back to the subject later.

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« Reply #68 on: June 02, 2005, 12:37:12 PM »
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Using the growth of a country which was  retarded is not really fair.

Plus a good part of this growth is due to the subside Ireland got from the EU.

Let speak again when they will have contributed like the others.



You seem to have read more into my post than was intended.

CPxxx stated that Ireland is rich, GS disputed the statement and suggested it was not.

The data I posted did not state "how or why" Ireland was doing well,  only that it appears to be.

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« Reply #69 on: June 02, 2005, 02:00:31 PM »
Ok , so I state Ireland is using almost unfair practices and dumping to atract foreign enterprises.

And lastly Ireland is not rich or it's pretty new.

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« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2005, 03:15:22 PM »
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You guys will get front row seating as usual ... or perhaps this time we'll bring the party home to you! :)


May not have to Scholzy. I got a feeling we may have one all by our selves soon enough. Your more than welcome to join the party though as ong as you choose the "right" side that it. :D

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« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2005, 04:28:10 PM »
Gscholz when was your friend in Ireland and where?  Just today I drove across the country from the west and dirt poor it is not. Ten years ago maybe. Even eight years ago. Take my word for it we are no longer dirt poor. It's no paradise but it's getting better all the time. Right now a thousand Poles a week are arriving to look for work here. Most of them find it.

Nashwan, Subsidies, yes we needed them and in fact is that not a textbook case of how they should work? They were or are used to build infrastructure. This infrastructure was used to attract foreign investment, mostly American who are also attracted to a low tax environment and a business friendly environment. On top of that income tax is low so that people get to keep the money they earn. That is where the economic success comes from.  Soon Ireland will be net contributor to the EU propping up France and Germany no doubt.

Any country can do it. But they won't They'd rather pay high taxes and work short hours and maintain enormous numbers of unemployed. Straffo there is nothing unfair about creating good jobs for your people. Ireland is rich and it's pretty new, ten years ago we were second rate now we're second to Luxembourg. The figures speak for themselves.

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« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2005, 04:46:07 PM »
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Any country can do it. But they won't They'd rather pay high taxes and work short hours and maintain enormous numbers of unemployed.

So true. Ireland is in a remote geographical location and you still do so well.:aok Perhaps I should head over your way. Too bad I don't the understand the language.

Estonia is another exemplary country.
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« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2005, 07:14:18 PM »
If you Yuropeeins don't sort yourselves out we gonna send our Prime Minister over to sort you out!

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« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2005, 09:07:34 PM »
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If you Yuropeeins don't sort yourselves out we gonna send our Prime Minister over to sort you out!

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