Spit remodel

[RedTop]

Kev.....

Keep up the good fight bud:aok


Any new Spits would be fine with me. They were my favorite aircraft in WW2. And , although I dont have yours or most peoples knowledge of the planes and performance levels...I would welcome them for more things to fly as welll as having more of my favs in here.


I would doubt that many of the LW types , tho not all , would want anything that could give them a better "RUN" for there money.


Just a guess tho.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Lol Krusty just noticed in the skins forum you would like another 109, talk about hypocrasy!!!!

That would then be 6x109's!!!! AND 4x190's!!!!

Leave me out of your personal crusade to include your own pet planes into AH. I started out not thinking we needed any new spits. THen I was swayed by the statements in this thread. Now it's just past debate. It's just shouting for better spits, now.

For the record, I suggested that the 109E-1 be added, as it was essentially an E-4 with 7mm wing guns.

There are only 3 190 fighters. 1 is a bomber. As for the 109s, don't even count the Emil (E-4 or E-1) as it will never (repeat NEVER) see the light of day in the MA. It's more because there are some cool early 109 skins I've been looking at, that wouldn't apply to an E-4 but I would like to do.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Krusty
Leave me out of your personal crusade to include your own pet planes into AH. I started out not thinking we needed any new spits. THen I was swayed by the statements in this thread. Now it's just past debate. It's just shouting for better spits, now.

For the record, I suggested that the 109E-1 be added, as it was essentially an E-4 with 7mm wing guns.

There are only 3 190 fighters. 1 is a bomber. As for the 109s, don't even count the Emil (E-4 or E-1) as it will never (repeat NEVER) see the light of day in the MA. It's more because there are some cool early 109 skins I've been looking at, that wouldn't apply to an E-4 but I would like to do.

You are right, the E4 or the Spit I will very rarely be seen in the MA, but they are a 109 and a Spit, so I included BOTH.

Put it this way how would you feel if the LW only had a choice of 1 perked 1944 plane, 2 1942 planes and 1 1939/40 plane?
Obviously not too happy, even more obvious because you feel the need for yet another 109.

It's the double standards that irk me, its OK to have 9 free LW planes from 1939 all the way to 1944, but geez how dare I ask for a few 1943/44 free Spits, considering our current free 3 plane lineup is all 1942 and earlier. Unless your willing to spend 40+ perks on a 1944 Spit 14.
Saying 1 190 is a purely a bomber because it carries eggs is ridiculous, I guess because a Spit IX carries eggs thats a bomber also?
Nothing to do with pet planes, my pet plane would be Spit XVIII and we will never see it.

Just a recap of our line-up
Spit I - 1939/40
Spit V - Late 1942, over boosted model (best free Spit in AH2)
Spit IX - 1942 FIX, the lowest number produced of any Spit IX.
Spit XIV - 1944, great plane ridiculously priced at 40+ perks on average

Seafire IIc - 1941, lowest numbered production run of ANY Seafire, the III had approx 4-5 times as many made. Even the Seafire VX had more produced than the IIc.

And thats a representative planeset...please.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Kev367th

Or don't tell me T.O.D. is a USAAF vs Germans.
 

I thought that was exactly how TOD will be introduced.

I would agree with the massive introduction of AC variants however..............TOD could then offer them as options as a player "progresses" moving from squad to squad.

[straffo]

Krusty what is your MA handle ?

[Kev367th]

O.K. slight change

Make our Mk IX a 1944 L.F. IX Merlin 66  - 150 grade fuel with 25lbs boost. You'll never see me in a Tiffy again.

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/merlin66_18_25.jpg

So final list
Mk I
Mk V (left as is, the Merlin 50 16lbs boost 1942 one)
LF Mk VIII (for Far East 1943)
LF Mk IXe ( Merlin 66, 25lbs boost, 150 grade fuel 1944 - NOT RARE)
MK XIV (left as is, perhapes reduction in cost)

Ditch the Seafire IIc in favour of the most produced III.

No XII no XVI
Only one extra Spit (Mk VIII) and a redo of the IX's and Seafire III flight model.

RE the LF IX - Two squadrons converted to 25lbs within 1 month of the clearance being given.
A few months later the 2nd T.A.F. was cleared to convert 5 sqns of XIV's, 5 sqns of XVI's and 20 sqn's of IX's to 150/25lbs boost, so hardly a rare bird for 1944.

[MENDEZ]

Very good argument kev:aok  I agree in full for what its worth.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by MENDEZ
Very good argument kev:aok  I agree in full for what its worth.

TY

Just as an addition
Our current hybrid Spit F IX is probably the least manufactured version of ANY Mk IX.
Put that with the least manufactured Seafire, the IIc, and I can't see how HT can even come close to saying the RAF has a 'representative' planeset.

Interestingly enough for T.O.D. the main Spits 'should' be the LF IX, XIV and the LF XVI at 150 grade/25lbs boost. (2nd T.A.F.), anything less would be a travesty.

[Charge]

"Just think LW fans don't want a mid/late FREE spit that could cause havoc with run-oh-nines and run-one-ninetys."

Eh, the generously modelled IX does the job just nicely, thank you. From 42 to 44 LW planes, that is.

-C+

[thrila]

Hehe.... generously modelled.....suuuure.

[Charge]

Oops...

-C+

[bozon]

I, V, IX and XIV.
These were the milestone spits in the ETO/MTO.

I - to represent BoB spits (with hurri I)
V - 1942 chanel fights / malta (with hurri II)
IX - 1943 till 1944 DDay (with typhoon)
XIV - 1944-45 (with Tempest)

This covers the RAF for the entire war. We just need the proper sub-variants of them. This just means an earlier spit V and later IX than we have now. Spit I and XIV are fine, save the perk over price.

Bozon

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Kev367th
Interestingly enough for T.O.D. the main Spits 'should' be the LF IX, XIV and the LF XVI at 150 grade/25lbs boost. (2nd T.A.F.), anything less would be a travesty.

What part of the 8th flew spits after 1942?

[Squire]

USAAF Spits after 1942 were mainly the Med Fighter Groups, like the 31st FG that flew VIIIs in Italy untill converting to P-51s.

8th AF FGs converted to P-38s and P-47s after 1942, after flying Spit Vs.

Spit I  <1940
Spit VB  < 1941
Spit VC (+16 lbs boost, bomb rack)  <1942
Spit F. IX (Merlin 61)   < The current model in AH2, from 1942.
Spit LF IX (Merlin 66)  < The 1943-45 model. The most widely used IX in WW2...
Spit XIV  <44-45

Seafire LF III, the "main" Seafire used by the FAA in WW2, from late 43-45.

That would round it out. Im not sure you would need a LF VIII and an LF IX as well, they are very close in specs. I would pick one or the other.

*There seems to be this pervasive notion in some posts that the LF IX was retired after D-Day. It was not. It flew operationally untill wars end.

[Kev367th]

R.A.F. 2nd T.A.F. ORBAT for 5 June - listing Spits only.

83 Group
125 Wing - 132,453,902 Sqns - Spit IX
126 Wing - 401,411,412 Sqns - Spit IX
127 Wing - 403,416,421 Sqns - Spit IX
144 Wing - 441,442,443 Sqns - Spit IX

84 Group
35 Wing (recon) 4 Sqn - Spit XI
131 Wing - 302,317 Sqns - Spit IX
132 Wing - 66,332 Sqns - Spit IX
134 Wing - 210,312,313 Sqns - Spit IX
135 Wing - 222,349,485 Sqns - Spit IX
145 Wing - 329,340,341 Sqns - Spit IX

85 Group
141 Wing - 91,322 Sqns - Spit XIV, 124 Sqn Spit VII
150 Wing - 56 Sqn - Spit IX
34 Wing (recon) - 16 Sqn - Spit XI
Air spotting pool - 26,63 Sqns - Spit V, 808,897,885,886 Sqns -Seafire III

10 Group
1,165 Sqns - Spit IX (had already converted to 150 grade/25 boost)
41,276 Sqns - Spit, type not listed.
126 Sqn - Spit IX
131,616 Sqns - Spit VII
610 Sqn - Spit XIV

11 Group
33,74,127 Sqns - Spit IX
64,234,611 Sqns - Spit VB
80,229,274 Sqns - Spit IX
130,303,402 Sqns - Spit VB
345 Sqn - Spit, type not listed
227 Sqn - Spit, type not listed
350 Sqn - Spit VB
501 Sqn - Spit IX
275,277,278 Sqns - Spit, type not listed

12 Group
504 Sqn - Spit VB

13 Group
118 Sqn - Spit VB

106 PRU Group
541,542 Sqns - Spit XI

Approx 37 Sqns Spit IX's, approx 20 aircraft per sqn = 740 Spit IX's

http://www.raf.mod.uk/dday/units.html

Spit XVI came on-line shortly after D-Day.

Squire - The Spit 8 is need for the Far East, all but 1 Far East squadron were equippid with Mk 8.