A solution to Lavochkin La-7 (wheter you like it or not)

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Stop confusing the two.

 If you kill a Lala easily, it's not the Lala that's easy to kill. It's the great majority of dumbprettythang pilots in the La-7s that don't know squat about fighting, who are easy to kill.

 Get a vet or a true-blue ace in a La-7 and see how 'easy' it's to shoot him down.

 I can kill all kinds of newbies in P-38Ls or Fw190Ds or P-51s and stuff, but that don't exactly mean that the said planes are sucky, does it?

But if the majority of pilots in the LALA don;t know squat about flying, whats the problem?  Easy kills right?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Stop confusing the two.

 If you kill a Lala easily, it's not the Lala that's easy to kill. It's the great majority of dumbprettythang pilots in the La-7s that don't know squat about fighting, who are easy to kill.

 Get a vet or a true-blue ace in a La-7 and see how 'easy' it's to shoot him down.

 I can kill all kinds of newbies in P-38Ls or Fw190Ds or P-51s and stuff, but that don't exactly mean that the said planes are sucky, does it?

exACTLY! Lala increases anyone's skill level by an easy third..which is why a lotta talented guys dont fly em..they want a challenge

[ADog]

I've been inactive for almost a full year. I thought just on a lark i'd check out the boards.

Lo and Behold. People are still crying about the LA 7 and the N1KI.

Two things in AH will always remain the same

1. HT will always kill you in his flying PT boat.
2. The Nik and the Lavochkins will NEVER be Perked :-)

You might as well try and convince one party in congress that legislation introduced by the other party is "bipartisan."

May your sights be full of noobs, and you magazines full of ammo. *salute*

[dedalos]

Originally posted by bj229r
exACTLY! Lala increases anyone's skill level by an easy third..which is why a lotta talented guys dont fly em..they want a challenge

That statement shows how well you know the game.  Well, that and your stats.  You seem to be in 190s a lot and your 3 top kills last tour are bombers and panzers.  You have 54 deaths, but only 3 were from the dreaded LA7.  I guess you are looking for a chalenge also against those buffs?

I don't see where your extencive knowledge of the LA7 comes from since you dont seem to engage that many LALAs or any other fighters.

[bj229r]

Lol, I never said I WAS talented; but if I flew LA7 instead of F8 or A8, things would be heaps easier--that, and not flying without wingies

[dedalos]

Originally posted by bj229r
Lol, I never said I WAS talented; but if I flew LA7 instead of F8 or A8, things would be heaps easier--that, and not flying without wingies

How do you know?  It does not have 30mms so it would not be as good agains buffs.  How do you know how good a plane is if you never flew it?

[bj229r]

I used to fly it a bit, REAL fun plane, cannons kill stuff almost from as far out as hizookas, handles real well--if ya under 10k, seems to fight with most anything except spit5, etc.

[Kweassa]

But if the majority of pilots in the LALA don;t know squat about flying, whats the problem? Easy kills right?

 True, o true.

 However, it works both ways.  Think about it.

 If the Spit14 or the Tempest ever goes free, it will be these same people in La-7s who'll be now hording over to the Spit14s or the Tempests. Will they be hard to kill?

 Well, as long as they stick around and fight stupidly, as they currently do in La-7s, they won't be a problem.

 But what baffles me is, when I mention the need of perkless free Spit14s or F4U-4s, people suddenly start arguing that these planes are so superior that it will become a menace to the MA. They are easy kills in La-7s, but they aren't easy kills in Spit14s or Tempests?


 ...

 And there lies the answer.

 How easy to kill the individual in a certain plane is meaningless.

 The only thing that matters is that some planes are overused, and for a reason. The plane is powerful. Even if it doesn't help them become more successful, not by long shot, they still choose La-7s to ride. Because, with this plane, at least if they start running away at the right timing, they have a good chance to run away.

 Tempests are basically the same. Newbies in 70 point Tempests are still easy kills for a free Fw190D-9. So why are they perked?

 Because, regardless of how easy they are to kill, the plane will be overused, and that's a fact.


 It's potential is much too powerful. So basically HTC perks Tempests, Spit14s, Chogs, 4hogs and etc.. upon its potential, not by its actual success.

 And that same amount of potential lies in the La-7.

 Against most newbies I can hold my own even in a Fw190A-8. However, against superior guys like Shane or Fariz who makes frequent use of La-7s... or, against anyone who is in a simular skill level as myself... I have hardly a chance even in the Bf109G-10 which I've flown for years since 1.05.

 No chance at all.

 That's why the La-7 must be dealt with.

ps) and the same goes with all planes with simular potential. Just like the La-7 has uber potential, so does my favorite Bf109G-10 against most other planes. Same with P-51Ds or Fw190Ds.. even Typhoons and stuff.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Kweassa
True, o true.

 However, it works both ways.  Think about it.

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Hard to argue with you when you put it this way.  If you are saing that the since the lala is not perked then the planes you mentioned should also be non perk planes, I am kind of with you, though I have not thought about it much.  I guess the Tempest could be a problem in a sence that you will never see another tyff and together with the 1C they would be the future vulch mobiles.  The spit however, is not that good to justify its price nor is the 152.  As far at the F4U4, I am clueless, lol.

I was just focusing on the LA and the reasons people want it perked for.  Think about it.  It all comes down to there is a plane faster than mine and as long as you are not flying the fastest plane in the set, there will always be a faster plane.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by dedalos
Hard to argue with you when you put it this way.  If you are saing that the since the lala is not perked then the planes you mentioned should also be non perk planes, I am kind of with you, though I have not thought about it much.  I guess the Tempest could be a problem in a sence that you will never see another tyff and together with the 1C they would be the future vulch mobiles.  The spit however, is not that good to justify its price nor is the 152.  As far at the F4U4, I am clueless, lol.

I was just focusing on the LA and the reasons people want it perked for.  Think about it.  It all comes down to there is a plane faster than mine and as long as you are not flying the fastest plane in the set, there will always be a faster plane.

It still comes down to the mind set of the pilot in the end.  There are those in the game that really believe their stats mean something and will fly whatever will help them live the longest and get kills.

That doesn't mix well with those who are looking for the challenge of  the dogfight, or those who have a particular interest in other types of planes in the game.  

It's always tough or frustrating to try and fight the guy going lightspeed away from you all the time, knowing you won't catch em.

Personally I just don't care anymore

On those occasions when I get to take the old 38G up and about, I'll admit to getting the most satisfaction out of killling LAs and N1Ks, but in the end I just quit counting how many I see.  

And if the fights are good I have fun, and if it's boring I log off and find something else to do.

People will fly what they want to fly regardless of what I want.  So unperk em all, I won't fly em anyway

Dan/CorkyJr

[Karnak]

In the end we still need a 1944 and a 1945 La-7.  Right now we only have the 1945 La-7 and that makes it not so useful for 1944 scenarios.

[Tilt]

Well as a consistant user of Lavochkins I have to agree that the 3 x B20 version couold/should be perked.

IMO the diference in kill potential for the average (or less than)player is significant (betweeen the two cannon variant and  the three cannon variant) and  is sufficient to seriously address any inbalance it brings to game play.

The fact that it runs away so well will remain.....  44 versions were on average a couple of Km/hr slower than 45 versions however all were working toward the same standard. Unfortunately  La7 manufacturing production control was simply not as consistant in mid 44 as it was in early 45.

[Lazerr]

AKfokker.. Your not making any sense.   The problem with the la7 is the huge numbers of them flying around, and that would be the case with f4u1c/ta152/temp/spit14 if they were not perked.  It is fast, has nice guns, and is quite nimble, and is a pretty small target to hit, which is EXACTLY why the others are perked, along with overusage.

So why the hell wouldn't you perk it like the rest of them?

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by ghi
imo, Fw190D9, sux as fighter: poor firepower,turn rate ,... Is just good for boring BZers,hit and run, or high speed vulchers
 P51D is modeled all over better fighter than La7, i don't understand why are always complains about La7?!

I like the D9, as it fits my style.  I really don't seem to be able to fly anything with the success that I can fly a 190.  I used to use the A8, awesome firepower.

I agree that the D9 has poor firepower.  But it is what it is...

All in all it will get you some scalps and get you home.  And it is so very pretty.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by Lazerr
AKfokker.. Your not making any sense.   The problem with the la7 is the huge numbers of them flying around, and that would be the case with f4u1c/ta152/temp/spit14 if they were not perked.  It is fast, has nice guns, and is quite nimble, and is a pretty small target to hit, which is EXACTLY why the others are perked, along with overusage.

So why the hell wouldn't you perk it like the rest of them?

Perk it.  I don't really care as I don't fly it very much.  I think there are much better MA rides. Especially the PonyD.

The point I was trying to make is that with or without the LA7, the MA will be essentially the same.  Because it is the people who fly in it that make the arena what it is.  You won't change the gameplay, only the types of planes you are seeing.

We perked the C Hog, and people seem to have migrated to the LA7.  We didn't have nearly the number of LA7s when the C Hog was a non-perk ride.  

Perking the C Hog did reduce its usage quite a bit.  That is emprically measurable.But what perking the C Hog didn't do was to produce an arena with more diversity. This thread an the multitudes of others like it prove that fact.

Now if we perk the LA7, soon people will complain about the numbers of some other non-perk ride.  I am not sure what ride that would be.  But it would probably be something fast with good acceleration, or some other attribute that would make it a desireable ride in a MA without LA7's.  

So I doubt if perking the LA7 would produce the diversity some seem to desire.