ENY is CARP

[Krusty]

"ENY Helped me, and it can help you, too! Ask me how! You see, I'm not just an ENY For Knit member, I'm one of the contributors!"

Hello?? *tap tap tap*

Is this thing ON??!?!

Bah, my humor is wasted on you lot! >:D

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by elc7367b
I tend to agree ACK-ACK.  I want to avoid blatantly labeling someone as padding a score unless I have absolute first hand knowledge.  I feel without that at least they deserve the benefit of the doubt.  I am sure its been done before but 30+ kills in a fighter (assuming one sortie no rearm) stretches the limits of my imagination.  But, hey, I wasnt there, I wasnt privy to what happened therefore the caveat.

Muttman
Sick Puppies

Lol just look at their stats, see what they killed the most, check saintan see what he's died in the most.
Guess even having numbers they still need to game the game.

Although one of the JBs kills looks good, as someone already said.
Shame on the rest of you.

[ghi]

Originally posted by sullie363
Yeah, Knights sure do have it tough these days.

 I'm sure that's a bug , time related maybe,  and is hapened afternoons 5-6pm ET. I flew yesterday IL2, over LTARs in GVs, in town A4 , but every time i flew over their tanks without firing a shoot, i registered 6-7 kills,
    I did't land them cuz LTARmoil  does't miss tgt in flakpanzer:)

[sullie363]

There were also two or three guys before I decided to take a screenshot that got 20+ kills.

[101ABN]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I would like to say that I feel your pain but I would be lying.  I can however say that your whines are music to my ears and a further proof that the ENY system does work.  So you couldn't fly your La7 last night, so what?  Either log off or switch countries.  Your whines on this board will do nothing to change the ENY system and will only bring a smile to our collective faces as we enjoy the sound of your squealing.  This is the price you pay for being a lemming.

Of course, getting 50-80 perks per sortie last night while kicking the crap out of the Knitword hord was fun too.

ack-ack

very rare that i fly a LA, i kinda enjoy my tiffy... Yea i should learn to fly something else... everyone is entitle to a whine post every now and then...... should have laid off the beer. oops.  I agree with those who dont like to run into a horde, ive been there before.... what is a lemming?  

Im not trying to get uber scores... heck look at mine...

[Karnak]

If you like the Tiffe, give the Mossie a try when the ENY blocks your Tiffie.  It isn't as fast, but it's guns are centerline and have more ammo.

Remember, it carries 540 gallons of fuel at 100%, so you rarely need more than 50%.  That improves it's handling a lot.

Oh yeah, it rolls better too.

[hubsonfire]

There's a slim chance, I suppose, that they benefited from the bug involving buffs. I got something like 130+ kills from 1 bomber formation. Few camps back, you can figure it out in my stats. Might have a screen somewhere. However, I'm still leaning toward vulching. I've seen FX1 land 18 kills in a single sortie, so these numbers aren't too hard to believe.

ENY still rules. I love it.

[IownU]

elc that was a damn good movie too:aok

[MadSquirrel]

The whole numbers game of our side only has 60 people and yours has 120 really doesn't amount to squat when there are 20 enemy planes, mostly perk rides, and a carpet of Tigers rolling onto a field while all you have to defend with are T-34s, M-16s and bi-planes and you only have 10 people there to defend because the other 110 are spread over all the other bases.  And of course the enemy has porked every set of troops/Supplies and Ordenance 5 sectors back.

Oh I can hear all the "Ol Timers" laughing now.  The same "Ol Timers" that aren't having to deal with ENY and the negitive aspects of it.  And yes I know that those who get the advantage say it is "Only Fair", and the ones that get the brunt of it say it is "Unfair".

It all has to do with the amount of people playing on one side so, lets take a look.

NUMBERS GAME :

3 sides, 10 fields each.

After 24 hours of play.  Both sides having advantage from time to time, evening comes and this is what happens.

60 Bish defending/Attacking from 5 Fields 12 Bish per field in Perk rides.

60 Rooks defending/Attacking from 5 Fields 12 Rooks per field in Perk rides.

120 Knights defending/Attacking from 20 fields, 6 Knights in wagons with slingshots.  

Yeah, that is what the our enemy call a fair fight?

This is an extream example, however in many respects it is accurate.

There has to be a better way to level the playing field other than taking away one sides ability to wage a battle other than in inferior equipment.  You might as well say that when one side has 10 less people than anyone else, the side with the most people forfeit a base.  That is basically what is happening now.

If it is a numbers game, then lets make it just that.

You want to pork a field?  Fine, but the minimum number of 5 troops will ALWAYS be available.  If Bish/Rooks have 60 and Knights have 120, then captures take 20 troops instead of 10.  Under the "Field Status" a spot for the number of troops needed for capture.

This would kill two birds with one solution.  Porking and ENY.

My two cents worth.

LTARsqrl  

[hubsonfire]

If you don't want to be limited in your choice of vehicles or aircraft, switch to one of the low numbered countries. If you don't want to fight against your squad, take them with you. If you or your squad won't switch, get used to flying p40bs and defending against tigers with radio flyer wagons and some rocks.

[Clip121]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
The whole numbers game of our side only has 60 people and yours has 120 really doesn't amount to squat when there are 20 enemy planes, mostly perk rides, and a carpet of Tigers rolling onto a field while all you have to defend with are T-34s, M-16s and bi-planes and you only have 10 people there to defend because the other 110 are spread over all the other bases.  And of course the enemy has porked every set of troops/Supplies and Ordenance 5 sectors back.

Oh I can hear all the "Ol Timers" laughing now.  The same "Ol Timers" that aren't having to deal with ENY and the negitive aspects of it.  And yes I know that those who get the advantage say it is "Only Fair", and the ones that get the brunt of it say it is "Unfair".

It all has to do with the amount of people playing on one side so, lets take a look.

NUMBERS GAME :

3 sides, 10 fields each.

After 24 hours of play.  Both sides having advantage from time to time, evening comes and this is what happens.

60 Bish defending/Attacking from 5 Fields 12 Bish per field in Perk rides.

60 Rooks defending/Attacking from 5 Fields 12 Rooks per field in Perk rides.

120 Knights defending/Attacking from 20 fields, 6 Knights in wagons with slingshots.  

Yeah, that is what the our enemy call a fair fight?

This is an extream example, however in many respects it is accurate.

There has to be a better way to level the playing field other than taking away one sides ability to wage a battle other than in inferior equipment.  You might as well say that when one side has 10 less people than anyone else, the side with the most people forfeit a base.  That is basically what is happening now.

If it is a numbers game, then lets make it just that.

You want to pork a field?  Fine, but the minimum number of 5 troops will ALWAYS be available.  If Bish/Rooks have 60 and Knights have 120, then captures take 20 troops instead of 10.  Under the "Field Status" a spot for the number of troops needed for capture.

This would kill two birds with one solution.  Porking and ENY.

My two cents worth.

LTARsqrl  

I rarely fly perk rides, even when they are el cheapo.  I know I'm not very good but I do enjoy flying the more challenging planes like the 202, 205, F41 and P38J.  I love landing a 2 - 3 kill run in 202!  Makes the game a lot more fun to me....

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
The whole numbers game of our side only has 60 people and yours has 120 really doesn't amount to squat when there are 20 enemy planes, mostly perk rides, and a carpet of Tigers rolling onto a field while all you have to defend with are T-34s, M-16s and bi-planes and you only have 10 people there to defend because the other 110 are spread over all the other bases.  And of course the enemy has porked every set of troops/Supplies and Ordenance 5 sectors back.

I think that is the idea of ENY. while the other 110 of the outnumbering team are hording bases(they don't "spread out")  from the 40 people left to defend, the other 20 outnumbered guys can use superior weapons to try to keep their country alive. If you ask me, what you just wrote is the perfect example of how ENY is actually useful and working.

[MadSquirrel]

It is like I said.  Those that ENY favor, like it and are all for it.  Those who have to deal with it and the negitive aspects of ENY don't like it.

ENY is a quick solution.  It is not the "Best" solution.  That is what I am striving to find.

I have seen the "I like ENY cause it works for me" posts.  But am still looking for the "Lets find something that works for everyone" posts.

You refer to the hord of 110 attacking one base just isn't the case.  They are spread all over.  Lots of little groups attacking or defending.  Not that it doesn't happen, but it is rare I see any major engagments between Bish and Rooks during this time.  Like I said, not that it doesn't happen, I just don't see much of it.  So those 110 are fighting two fronts all the time.  

And any enemy base that does get a hord attacking in most cases just furball because there aren't Ords or Troops within 2 lightyears due to Porking.  You know what it is like to try to defend a base against a hord?  I am sure you do.  Well try doing it without equipment.  

You said switch sides?  How often during a night.  I join at 7pm my time and sides are even.  I am defending a base or attacking and 25 Bish log off and all of a sudden, 5 Tigers show up  protected by 5 262s, a gaggle Spit XIVs and what ever else.  I get vaporized and try to respawn and can't up an Ostwind or Panzer to put up any defense let alone get off the runway with a plane.  OH, wait.  ENY is here.  I need to quit defending this base and go to the other side.  The fact I am in a squad means they go too, leaving all the other players that have been fighting with us through the night.  So, why not just give the enemy two free bases when a few of the other side log for the night?

If ENY works for you and you feel that the only way your side can have an even footing in a numbers battle is to put P-51s against D3A1s, OK.  Personally, I don't think it is right and I think there is a better way.  I wouldn't mind having to fight twice as hard or twice as long to capture a field as long as the players that I battle have the same equpment as I do.  I also feel that ENY is more geared toward aircraft than ground and sea.  Tough to battle when all the Carrier planes are below the ENY.  And it is tough to battle Tigers when you can't up armor.  By the way, when HT is restricting my game play because the the other teams have players that logged off, do I get a refund?

To me, this game is about capturing territory via Land, Sea and Air.  As I said above, instead of saying you have to give the other sides the advantage by using inferior equipment , just make it more difficult to capture bases.

Now before the next posts start agreeing or disagreeing with my views of ENY, lets post some other ideas that might be options to ENY.

LTARsqrl    

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by MadSquirrel
 Those who have to deal with it and the negitive aspects of ENY don't like it.

I was faced with an ENY limit the other night. I hopped over to the bish for a few days. I noticed that quite a few rooks and knits had changed also. Some were Bish due to ENY, others wanted more targets, and some just like to fight the horde whereever it goes. Instead of either complaining about numbers, or ENY limits, they just quietly went about playing the game.

 I really don't feel that there is a better solution than offering his customers 2 choices and letting them decide for themselves. However, the number of people currently who will face Tempests, 152s, and La-7s in P40s and Il-2s (albeit in massive groups) speaks volumes of the majority of the MA patrons' interest in a fair and balanced arena.

 Perked rides when numbers are severely imbalanced discriminates against the newer or less frequent players. This would result in only the vets on one country, and a majority hopping to the other to fly. They could, at that point, create an opposite imbalance, and wind up stuck in place with no perks. Not acceptable for HTC.

 I don't think the current Log-in system could lock people out from a specific country at log in, since country changes are done inside the game, and the log in screen only shows total arena populations.

 Increased numbers of troops, or increased hardness of buildings doesn't remedy the imbalance either.  Whether it takes the side with a 2-1 numerical advantage 1 goon or 5 goons to capture a field, the horde will still triumph.
 
The main issue here isn't the difficulty in winning the virtual war, it is the quality of gameplay for the customers who aren't enjoying a huge disparity in the numbers of enemies. The only way to fix this is to lure people with either more opportunities for perks and kills, or impose a fee (ENY limits). Any option which HTC forced upon you would be hated far more than ENY.

You say the ENY isn't the best solution, and it's not, in a sense. The best solution would be for the players to become more active, and less entrenched in the "Xcountry or die!" mentality, and bring the MA back in to balance. This, the best solution, is what I call a "pipe dream". The best practical solution is the one we have now.

ps: turn it up just a bit, and give bombs an ENY value as well, so ord becomes unavailable too.

[SuperDud]

You refer to the hord of 110 attacking one base just isn't the case. They are spread all over. Lots of little groups attacking or defending. Not that it doesn't happen, but it is rare I see any major engagments between Bish and Rooks during this time. Like I said, not that it doesn't happen, I just don't see much of it. So those 110 are fighting two fronts all the time.

   Well if you take that 110(even spread out) fighting the 40 remaining underdogs that is still a hugely outnumbered group. You have to figure those 40 are spread out as well so I don't see how anything about that can be valid. And for every "I like it" thread, I've seen 5 "I hate it". Why??? Because it's doing it's job. Whenever 1 country get's into the cycle of having superior numbers, the ENY whine for that country springs up again without fail.

You said switch sides? How often during a night. I join at 7pm my time and sides are even. I am defending a base or attacking and 25 Bish log off and all of a sudden, 5 Tigers show up protected by 5 262s, a gaggle Spit XIVs and what ever else. I get vaporized and try to respawn and can't up an Ostwind or Panzer to put up any defense let alone get off the runway with a plane. OH, wait. ENY is here. I need to quit defending this base and go to the other side. The fact I am in a squad means they go too, leaving all the other players that have been fighting with us through the night. So, why not just give the enemy two free bases when a few of the other side log for the night?

   You wanna know when to switch sides? Well for the past month bish have been the heavily outnumbered. It's not a certain hour of the day, it's a span of days, weeks and maybe even months. And you can stay in your squad while changing countries. Unless it's a specific "squad rule" you won't be withdrawn for changing countries. If you are in a squad that is country oriented than that's the price you pay. Changing from 1 chess peice to another isn't going to change the game in any way. And my feelings(not saying wrong or right) is that it's silly to gripe about this when you can simply go to oclub and pick a new country. Sometimes it's fun getting to team up with your virtual enemies and fight former countrymen. A lot of fun fights and banter can be struck up this way.

If ENY works for you and you feel that the only way your side can have an even footing in a numbers battle is to put P-51s against D3A1s, OK. Personally, I don't think it is right and I think there is a better way. I wouldn't mind having to fight twice as hard or twice as long to capture a field as long as the players that I battle have the same equpment as I do. I also feel that ENY is more geared toward aircraft than ground and sea. Tough to battle when all the Carrier planes are below the ENY. And it is tough to battle Tigers when you can't up armor. By the way, when HT is restricting my game play because the the other teams have players that logged off, do I get a refund?

To me, this game is about capturing territory via Land, Sea and Air. As I said above, instead of saying you have to give the other sides the advantage by using inferior equipment , just make it more difficult to capture bases.

Now before the next posts start agreeing or disagreeing with my views of ENY, lets post some other ideas that might be options to ENY.

   If both sides have equal equipment it won't be a fair fight, that's the point! Even if FH's are tougher to kill and it takes 50 troops to take a base it'll still be 1 sided. My point is this. The simplest way to avoid only being able to up M8s is to switch countries. If your squad is loyal to one chess peice then you have my condulances and it's the burden you bear. I've flown for all sides and promise you all vehicles perform the same on every side. The good guys are still green and the bad, red. I just don't understand how "grown" men and women can make such a fuss instead of simply realizing what needs to be done to correct the problem and doing it. I don't understand how someone can have such blind loyalty to a virtual chess peice to the point of punishing themself??? If you feel that HTC is restricting your gameplay take it up with him. By posting here you make your veiws public and open for discussion(in a respectful manner).

OK, I'm done now. Just had to say my peace. I think sqrl we're just on different sides of the fence and it's not going to change. I guess that's just how it goes. So I hope everything works out for you and if you see a blue spitty, don't shoot it:p