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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1905 on: January 15, 2010, 07:11:00 PM »
Ack-Ack, this is what the Japs had that was design to take on the B-29:
Ki-84 but not sure which model.
Kawasaki Ki-100 was the best AC that IJ had that showed good qualities against the B-29.  Armed with 2 x 20mm and 2x 12.5 mm,  great speed at high alt. but only 395 where built.  It was equal the the P-51, La7 and Ki-84.       
But for the most part, the Zero was the most produced AC the jap build and counter the B-29. Not sure the A6M6 had the ability to take on the B-29, A6M7 was designed for Kamikaze and A6M8 only had two prototype that could have been the most advanced AC for them.

The problem was that the Japs did not put much effort in designing better AC like Germany did.  For two reasons:1) we where not bombing them around the clock like we did in ET, 2) Most of the air battle would be sea base then land.  By the last year or so of the war, they had developed newer and better AC but little was done to get them into action.

Here are some AC that could have took on the B-29:
Nakajima Ki-87: had the ability to counter the B-29 with 2 x 30-mm.  Only one build.
Rikugun Ki-93: was a twin eng, armed with 1× 57 mm Ho-401 cannon in ventral gondola and 2× 20 mm Ho-5 cannon in wing roots.  Only 2 produced.
The Ki-94: was designed as a high alt fighter to counter the B-29, but only one was produced at the end of the war.
Kyūshū J7W: a navy base AC that, i must say, advance design for its time.  armed with 4 30mm cannon, max speed of +450, but only 2 build.
Nakajima Ki-201 was the Me 262 version but none produced.
Mitsubishi J8M was the Japs version of the Me 163.  They knew that the B-29 was going to be a issue so they needed something that can up fast and clime high in short time.  Only 7 built none saw action.
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1906 on: January 15, 2010, 07:28:25 PM »
Ack-Ack, this is what the Japs had that was design to take on the B-29:
Ki-84 but not sure which model.
Kawasaki Ki-100 was the best AC that IJ had that showed good qualities against the B-29.  Armed with 2 x 20mm and 2x 12.5 mm,  great speed at high alt. but only 395 where built.  It was equal the the P-51, La7 and Ki-84.        
But for the most part, the Zero was the most produced AC the jap build and counter the B-29. Not sure the A6M6 had the ability to take on the B-29, A6M7 was designed for Kamikaze and A6M8 only had two prototype that could have been the most advanced AC for them.

The problem was that the Japs did not put much effort in designing better AC like Germany did.  For two reasons:1) we where not bombing them around the clock like we did in ET, 2) Most of the air battle would be sea base then land.  By the last year or so of the war, they had developed newer and better AC but little was done to get them into action.

Here are some AC that could have took on the B-29:
Nakajima Ki-87: had the ability to counter the B-29 with 2 x 30-mm.  Only one build.
Rikugun Ki-93: was a twin eng, armed with 1× 57 mm Ho-401 cannon in ventral gondola and 2× 20 mm Ho-5 cannon in wing roots.  Only 2 produced.
The Ki-94: was designed as a high alt fighter to counter the B-29, but only one was produced at the end of the war.
Kyūshū J7W: a navy base AC that, i must say, advance design for its time.  armed with 4 30mm cannon, max speed of +450, but only 2 build.
Nakajima Ki-201 was the Me 262 version but none produced.
Mitsubishi J8M was the Japs version of the Me 163.  They knew that the B-29 was going to be a issue so they needed something that can up fast and clime high in short time.  Only 7 built none saw action.


The Ki-100 had troubles intercepting the B-29 at high altitudes because the engine performance decreased at high altitudes.  When the B-29 changed tactics and only when the B-29 was used on low level bombing mission the Ki-100 had an easier time intercepting the B-29 raids.  

When the B-29s raids were still at high altitudes, the only real way the Ki-100 could attack was using head on attacks.  Ki-84s had a similiar problem when the B-29s were still flying at high altitudes and like the Ki-100, were more successful in intercepting the B-29s raids when the USAAF started flying them in low level bombing raids.

In addition, the Japanese were also severly handicapped by the fuel quality which further hindered the intercept abilities of all of their fighters when going after the B-29s at high altitude.

The J2M Raiden was more successful than either the Ki-100 and the Ki-84 in intercepting the B-29s at high altitude.

In AH, while fuel quality isn't an issue but engine performance at high altitude is and all one needs to do is fly the B-29 above 25,000ft or higher and the Ki-84 will not have such an easy time in intercepting one.  Because we're not hindered by things like the jet stream (which was the main reason for the B-29s and other USAAF bombers flying low-altitude raids), most will fly their B-29s above 25k where the German and Allied (referring to AH only) planes do have an advantage over the Japanese planes in intercepting the B-29.

Regardless of that, historical records show that far more B-29s were lost due to mechanical failures and AAA than were lost to Japanese interceptors.

I'm sure you've alread read it but there is a really good book called B-29 Hunters of the JAAF By Henry Sakaida, Kōji Takaki


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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1907 on: January 15, 2010, 08:11:26 PM »
And you are right Ack Ack about the mechanic of the B-29.  The first few missions from Manchuria was a prime example of the issues they had.  And yes, b-29s get get engage but the IJ had little success. 
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1908 on: January 15, 2010, 08:46:47 PM »
And you are right Ack Ack about the mechanic of the B-29.  The first few missions from Manchuria was a prime example of the issues they had.  And yes, b-29s get get engage but the IJ had little success. 

I wonder if the Ki-100 and Ki-84 would have had more success in intercepting B-29s at high altitude if the quality of fuel was better or were their engines just badly designed for high altitude interceptions and regardless if they had better fuel, would still face problems?


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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1909 on: January 15, 2010, 10:58:42 PM »
what iz dis here grammar ya jive about?
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1910 on: January 17, 2010, 08:01:58 PM »
this topic is a fail, lock it now



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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1911 on: January 25, 2010, 03:53:02 AM »
Ok, everyone complains about the B-29.........how bout a new heavy Russian bomber? I think I found one that would work.......the TU-4! :devil
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1912 on: January 26, 2010, 11:09:25 PM »
I agree with this posting bring the a26 into production ASAP  :x :x :x

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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1913 on: February 01, 2010, 05:43:17 PM »
i would love a B-29.
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1914 on: February 01, 2010, 08:47:09 PM »
i would love a B-29.

First off, it doesn't seem like you've been around long enough to realize how it would throw off gameplay. ;)

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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1915 on: February 01, 2010, 08:49:45 PM »
First off, it doesn't seem like you've been around long enough to realize how it would throw off gameplay. ;)


That is such a over statement. 
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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1916 on: February 01, 2010, 09:57:01 PM »
look on the bright side, it will come back again its a new month  :D.

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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1917 on: February 02, 2010, 12:51:06 AM »
You know the B29 is a bad idea when even Voss disabled it from his game.

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I have removed the B-29 in Europe, and done away with the A-bomb. It may return someday, but for now it's gone.

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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1918 on: February 02, 2010, 02:08:44 PM »
 :rofl  I haven't read that in a while...........  Danke Bruder!

You know the B29 is a bad idea when even Voss disabled it from his game.

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Re: B-29 Super Fortress
« Reply #1919 on: February 02, 2010, 05:28:11 PM »
From the first article in '97:

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