RAF 150 octane

[Kev367th]

Fuel shortage?

Check the National Archives.

POWE 33/596 deals with Blending existing SURPLUS stocks of 150 grade down to 100/130.

Exact title of document is
"Aviation spirit: blending surplus 100/150 Grade into 100/130 Grade"

Hardly supports any claim of 'scarcity', does it. - Over to you Kurfy.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Crumpp


Better give Micheal O'Leary a call to tell him he is wrong.

I always though the War ended in May 1945, not July.

Looks like Micheal might know a thing or two about the aircraft. His Pom-Pom’s are not as brightly colored, though.


All the best,

Crumpp

All anyone has to do is examine the 56th's records to discover that the P-47M was flying combat sorties in February. No rocket science involved in that.

Total P-47M wartime losses:

44-21159 P-47M  HV- Lightfoot Lt. Edwin B  Crash-landed this, his first assigned P-47M on 21 Jan 45    
44-21115 P-47M  HV-Q   Joy Boy Crashed 13 March 45 - mid-air collision. Details unknown    
44-21159 P-47M  HV-? Lost 13 March 45  Lt. Richard B Tuttle
44-21197 P-47M  HV-I Crashed 3 Feb 1945
44-21125 P-47M  LM-S Lost 11 March 45 - Lt. Frank Aheron lost
44-21222 P-47M  UN-S Lt. Willard C Scherz KIFA 5 March 1945
44-21126 P-47M  UN-S Lt. Samuel F Stebleton Lost 2 April 45 - Mid-air collision.
44-21134 P-47M  UN-P Lt. William R Hoffman Lost in this a/c 13 April 45 - KIA - triple A.
44-21230 P-47M  LM-A  Lost 16 April 45 - Capt. Edward W Appel KIA.
44-21207 P-47M  LM-M  Maj. Felix D. Williamson Crashed Belgium 17 April 45  

January 3, 1945: 56th FG accepts first P-47M.

Numbers of P-47Ms grow steadily, but allow for only limited  sorties through February. Ignition breakdown first reported on Feb 3, 1945. Two aircraft return to Boxted. Another is lost in accident.

March 4, 1945: 56th FG puts up 16 P-47Ms with group. 6 abort with engine trouble. All P-47Ms with more than 50 hours on engine receive engine changes.

P-47Ms fly limited sorties alongside P-47Ds until entire group is outfitted with fully sorted P-47Ms. All P-47M aircraft declared "up" on 2 April, 1945.

My regards,

Widewing

[Bruno]

P-47Ms fly limited sorties alongside P-47Ds until entire group is outfitted with fully sorted P-47Ms. All P-47M aircraft declared "up" on 2 April, 1945.

That's exactly what Crumpp's quote says:

As the war in Europe fought to a close, the P-47M was finally operationally deployed during April 1945

That's a far cry from this exaggeration:

P-47Ms of the 56th saw a significant amount of combat in the last three months of the war.

Significant as defined by who? You? pfff...

The M was completely insignificant in Europe and as far as the 56th goes as well.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Bruno
The M was completely insignificant in Europe and as far as the 56th goes as well.

But not quite as insignificant as you....

Widewing

[MiloMorai]

Isn't April 2 about the same time the K-4 is claimed to be operational @ 1.98. We can now say the the K-4 @ 1.98 was insignificant.

[Bruno]

Originally posted by Widewing
But not quite as insignificant as you....

Widewing

Wow, clever...

However, its obvious to anyone who reads your nonsense posted on this forum or in general on your crappy website that you distort and exaggerate.

It maybe one thing to be insignificant, but it's a whole other thing to know it and pretend your not.

[Angus]

Emmm, this:
"44-21159 P-47M HV- Lightfoot Lt. Edwin B Crash-landed this, his first assigned P-47M on 21 Jan 45
44-21115 P-47M HV-Q Joy Boy Crashed 13 March 45 - mid-air collision. Details unknown
44-21159 P-47M HV-? Lost 13 March 45 Lt. Richard B Tuttle
44-21197 P-47M HV-I Crashed 3 Feb 1945
44-21125 P-47M LM-S Lost 11 March 45 - Lt. Frank Aheron lost
44-21222 P-47M UN-S Lt. Willard C Scherz KIFA 5 March 1945
44-21126 P-47M UN-S Lt. Samuel F Stebleton Lost 2 April 45 - Mid-air collision.
44-21134 P-47M UN-P Lt. William R Hoffman Lost in this a/c 13 April 45 - KIA - triple A.
44-21230 P-47M LM-A Lost 16 April 45 - Capt. Edward W Appel KIA.
44-21207 P-47M LM-M Maj. Felix D. Williamson Crashed Belgium 17 April 45

January 3, 1945: 56th FG accepts first P-47M.

Numbers of P-47Ms grow steadily, but allow for only limited sorties through February. Ignition breakdown first reported on Feb 3, 1945. Two aircraft return to Boxted. Another is lost in accident.

March 4, 1945: 56th FG puts up 16 P-47Ms with group. 6 abort with engine trouble. All P-47Ms with more than 50 hours on engine receive engine changes. "

Now I don't think significant is the right word, but they definately were there and flying from January onwards.
So, - that has been cleared..

As for my conspiracy theory Crumpp, - it wasn't exactly aimed at you. I know you're data mining like many other of us

[Neil Stirling1]

[Crumpp]

No Problem Angus.




Wide wing,

44-21159 P-47M HV- Lightfoot Lt. Edwin B Crash-landed this, his first assigned P-47M on 21 Jan 45
44-21115 P-47M HV-Q Joy Boy Crashed 13 March 45 - mid-air collision. Details unknown
44-21159 P-47M HV-? Lost 13 March 45 Lt. Richard B Tuttle
44-21197 P-47M HV-I Crashed 3 Feb 1945
44-21125 P-47M LM-S Lost 11 March 45 - Lt. Frank Aheron lost
44-21222 P-47M UN-S Lt. Willard C Scherz KIFA 5 March 1945
44-21126 P-47M UN-S Lt. Samuel F Stebleton Lost 2 April 45 - Mid-air collision.
44-21134 P-47M UN-P Lt. William R Hoffman Lost in this a/c 13 April 45 - KIA - triple A.
44-21230 P-47M LM-A Lost 16 April 45 - Capt. Edward W Appel KIA.
44-21207 P-47M LM-M Maj. Felix D. Williamson Crashed Belgium 17 April 45


So on this whole list we have ONE confirmed combat lost AFTER April, 1944.

Looks to me like the rest crashed trying to get the P47M to work.

This can't be your "proof" the P47M was  used extensively combat.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Bruno
Wow, clever...

However, its obvious to anyone who reads your nonsense posted on this forum or in general on your crappy website that you distort and exaggerate.

The internet is loaded with guys who attempt to assuage their meager self-esteem by belittling the efforts of others, while their contribution to the study of history is non-existent. All heat, no light...

So tell us Mr. loudmouth, what of your work has been published? What have you accomplished beyond occupying the void below the local bridge?

I'm not anyone special. I did earn a history degree (US Studies), but my work is as a Senior Project Engineer (mostly DOD weapons projects) and write as hobby. I have over 2,300 hours in Military aircraft (mostly recips) and have logged 332 traps aboard US Navy carriers.

Please, define for us your credentials. Let us determine if your opinions are based upon some experience, or just piss and wind.

Several years ago, a well known fighter pilot ventured into USENET and when asked, described his battle with a Bf-109 over Germany. He wrote of how his P-38J was able to turn inside the 109 and follow it up in a vertical climb.

Well, the Luftwobble intardnuts scrambled from their holes and accused him of being a liar, a fraud and stated that what he had just described was not possible.

What was even more amazing was that this pilot had been recognized with the DFC, several Air Medals and a host of other awards for his service. Meanwhile, a bunch of fat-boy, pasty-face wannabes crouching over their keyboards, take potshots at an honored combat vet. Captain Art Heiden simply stopped posting to the web and a lot of people would be denied his knowledge and memories. Few vets post to the web these days, primarily because of that sort of response.

Even fewer historians and writers post to the web for precisely the same reason. Why suffer the slings and arrows of hateful trolls who have no credentials beyond those self-appointed?

Now Bruno, ask me if I give a damn what you think or write here.

Widewing

[Angus]

One should give a damn! Ze tards must not override everyzing with zeir propaganda.

On the serious flipside, I was lucky enough to spend some time with 2 WW2 aces, and blimey, I have posted many of their anecdotes only to be booed on by the crowd, - surprizingly both of them by the LW crowd!

One of them, - just look at my sig

[Crumpp]

What was even more amazing was that this pilot had been recognized with the DFC, several Air Medals and a host of other awards for his service. Meanwhile, a bunch of fat-boy, pasty-face wannabes crouching over their keyboards, take potshots at an honored combat vet. Captain Art Heiden simply stopped posting to the web and a lot of people would be denied his knowledge and memories. Few vets post to the web these days, primarily because of that sort of response.

Sad

However it is not confined to the "Luftwobble tard network"

The problem Widewing, is all of your experience come from one side of coin.

All the best,

Crumpp

[Bruno]

ask me if I give a damn what you think or write here.

You cared enough to write 9 paragraphs...

I have no interest in your 'life' so you can save the biography for your 'publisher'. I am sure it will be a 'best seller'.

I am only replying to your exaggeration when using words like 'significant amount of combat'.

[Angus]

Ahemm
"The problem Widewing, is all of your experience come from one side of coin."
Crumpp, - isn't that better than those one-sided coins that have no experience at all?
With experience, most people adapt some relation to it. Okay, But this I found uneccecary.
And for you Bruno, stop yer BS.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Crumpp
This can't be your "proof" the P47M was  used extensively combat.

All the best,

Crumpp

Proof that the LW was scarcer than teeth in a chickens mouth.

Since you are so high on Freeman, quoting him numerous times, read the Osprey book, chapter 7, on the 56th FG. First claim by a M was a 109 on Jan 14. A further 10 were claimed in the Magdeburg area. On March 14, 2 Ar234 were claimed by Ms. On March 27, 2 Me262s were claimed by Ms.