Author Topic: 2 Norwegian coastguard inspectors kinapped (Read 5530 times)

Rino · « **Reply #180 on:** October 19, 2005, 06:28:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Estel
My answer was: Maybe it's true/Maybe it's not. Looks like you are reading only thing you want to read.

But I remember. Always when you are headed to the truth (I don't mean you personally this time) wich is not good for you, there is beginning flame about propaganda and etc. Can I remind you a topic about KAL007, where was proved that USA shooted down the civilian planes with passengers more times even any country in the world. Do you remember what happened than? Why always when you see facts that don't correlate with your opinion of how-should-facts-be-because-I-seen-it-on-TV the discussion is dropping to usual flame with "propaganda" and "communists"?

For now I'm serfing the news sites and I'm finding very good things. For example, changing "hostages" onto another word. Not "crime" but "agressive reaction in situation".

Maybe it's just your grammar, but there was a thread that "proved" the
US has shot down passenger aircraft more than any other country? Got a
link?

Vulcan · « **Reply #181 on:** October 19, 2005, 07:57:24 PM »

Russian missiles do not shoot down civilian aircraft! Civilian aircraft choose poor flight paths which often cross test firing of russian missiles! Da?

Hangtime · « **Reply #182 on:** October 19, 2005, 08:20:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Russian missiles do not shoot down civilian aircraft! Civilian aircraft choose poor flight paths which often cross test firing of russian missiles! Da?

Incorrect. The missiles were trying to defect.

Wilbus · « **Reply #183 on:** October 20, 2005, 02:03:25 AM »

Nope Estel I don't remmeber such a thread, I never saw it infact but I will take your word for it. I wouldn't be all that surprised if it's true either.

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My answer was: Maybe it's true/Maybe it's not. Looks like you are reading only thing you want to read.

No it wasn't.

This was your answer before.

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Maybe because all this bad smealing story wasn't true? And there wasn't any hostages. And maybe there were only inspectors impudent from impunity.

This is a totally different kind of answer. I read what you typed, not what I wanted to see. There is nothing in the above answer saying "maybe it is true maybe not" and nothing that implies it. The answer is a simple statement saying "this whole thing was a fraud".

If you did infact mean it in any other way I sugest you rephrase the answer quite a bit.

Nilsen · « **Reply #184 on:** October 20, 2005, 02:53:37 AM »

The inspectors have now been freed and the trawler was put under arrest by the Russian borderguards. The inspectors gave the evidence over to the russian officials so that they can prosecute. A copy of the evidence is beeing brought back to norway with the inspectors.

I'll see if i can find some news in english that comes from somewere in the free world.

One from yesterday http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1138023.ece

One from today http://www.norwaypost.no/content.asp?folder_id=1&cluster_id=28512

Wilbus · « **Reply #185 on:** October 20, 2005, 03:44:56 AM »

Any norwegian internet news Nilsen?

Nilsen · « **Reply #186 on:** October 20, 2005, 03:51:17 AM »

Should be on the frontpage of these:

http://www.vg.no
http://www.nrk.no
http://www.aftenposten.no
http://www.dagbladet.no
http://www.nettavisen.no

Vulcan · « **Reply #187 on:** October 20, 2005, 04:25:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Incorrect. The missiles were trying to defect.

Nyet. Russian missiles would never defect. If anyone was defecting the civilian aircraft were trying to defect to the innocent symbols of freedom - russian missiles.

mora · « **Reply #188 on:** October 20, 2005, 05:07:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
The inspectors gave the evidence over to the russian officials so that they can prosecute.

lol I'm sure they do.

Nilsen · « **Reply #189 on:** October 20, 2005, 05:23:06 AM »

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Originally posted by mora
lol I'm sure they do.

Its up to them I'm afraid. Can't do anything but hope they will keep it under arrest. The trawler won't be able to fish in these areas again. That trawler is considered the worst offender operating in these areas by both the Russian fishery department and the Norwegians. It has a looooooooong record and I belive even the Russians are fed up with that boat by now. If it is released and tries to go fishing again it will be monitored 24/7 and get special attention. I will then be forced to leave the area after photographic evidece has been obtained by plane, helo or ship.

There will be no inspectors on that boat next time if it tries again.

One interseting thing that the coastguard announced a few weeks back is that they would like to keep 2 Russian inspectors onboard every Norwegian coastguard ship that operates in these areas. They want this to solve language issues so that both sides can get the same eveidence and work together. Both the Norwegians and Russians are interested in this type of cooperation and hopefully the system will be inplace soon. Maybe the Russian trawlers are more cooperative if they get orders to leave from their own countrymen. It will speed up things and there wont be so much time wasted in communicating with Russian authorities since they will be on the same boat.

Nilsen · « **Reply #190 on:** October 20, 2005, 05:50:59 AM »

And to clarify another thing..

I said in a previous post that they were not hostages, but ordered to stay onboard.

They were ordered to stay onboard for the trip back to arrest in Norway... not for the rest of the sightseeing tour the trawler took them on. They were therfore held against their will from the minute it deviated from its course to Tromsoe harbour. The coasties decided not to take command of the trawler due to the risk of their own men and the trawler crew in those heavy seas. Had the conditions been better it would have been boarded by crews that were standing by on one of the coastguard vessels.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #191 on:** October 20, 2005, 06:30:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
The inspectors have now been freed and the trawler was put under arrest by the Russian borderguards.

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The inspectors gave the evidence over to the russian officials so that they can prosecute.

Bringing food home to Russia has always been a top priority on the prosecution list in Russia.

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This seems to keep getting buried in the thought train.

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The Russians have not recognized Norway's ruling of a protected fisheries zone around the Svalbard Archipelago, claiming it is international waters.

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This is hilarious.....

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The trawler was en route to Murmansk on Wednesday morning and Norwegian authorities said they would cancel their arrest order once the Russians had implemented their own

Translation: We were OWNED.

Nilsen · « **Reply #192 on:** October 20, 2005, 07:29:55 AM »

Rofl Jackal

Hangtime · « **Reply #193 on:** October 20, 2005, 01:35:01 PM »

Good. She should be seized and the owners penalized heavily.

Overfishing has huge impact on fish populations. I applaud Norways defense of their food supply and economy. Watched the destruction of the Cod population on the Banks, the destruction of the Fisheries here in the North East... all because our governemnt moved way too late on agressively protecting the resources.

Nilsen · « **Reply #194 on:** October 20, 2005, 01:42:19 PM »

Canada and Finland are so far the only countries supporting our claim for the 200nm _economical sone_ around Svalbard. I can understand why Russia won't. There are billions of dollars worth of resources in that area, in oil/gass and fish. There is an understanding tho that even Russia shares that Norway has the right and responsobility to protect these waters from overfishing and other forms of enviromental crime.