Why was 109G10 retired ??

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by Guppy35
So why not take what you like and fly it to the best of it's abilities and yours and see how you do?

I spend the majority of my time in a 38G and that's not going to change.  It starts to sound like score and k/d are the higher priority.  If you like a particular 109 variant, make yourself the best 109 driver out there.  You may die more against the 'uber' rides, but the pleasure comes from beating those guys too in a less then uber ride.  Who cares what the rest of the AH world thinks?

Nothing feels better then knocking down an LA7 or a N1K in a 38G.  It means to some degree that I outflew the pilot in that better performing bird.

That is exactly the reason I've been flying the 109F4 for the last 7 or 8 months.  I've kind of migrated to the G6 and G10 a bit.  And I take the 190D9 when you just can't survive in a 109.  I also like the Hog F4U-1.

But it isn't "score" I am looking for, I just hate getting shot down.  

I used to fly the 190A8, freaking awesome ride, but in those days we didn't have the 'kiddie trainer" icons that told you the plane type, so most people thought you were a Dora.  After the icon change, the LaLas knew you weren't a Dora, so they would run you down, and the Spits following him would kill you.  So I went to the 109's to enable me to fight the Spits.

Now we have a major impacting change, so it would appear that the next logical move would be to go from the 109's to the Spits.

As the game changes, you have to adapt with the changes.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Guppy35
 You want to hunt buffs, take a 190.

.

  How many bombers at high alt /HQ raids  did you shoot down in Fw190s ?
 maybe in TA152, but all others 190s are  out performed by buffs at high alt,

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by ghi
How many bombers at high alt /HQ raids  did you shoot down in Fw190s ?
 maybe in TA152, but all others 190s are  out performed by buffs at high alt,

Buffs usually shoot me down

[AutoPilot]

What I'm saying is that the G-10 with gondolas was an exceptional buff hunter

As Erich Hartmann says,when the enemy fills your windscreen you cannot possibly miss.

It only takes a couple of rounds too kill a bomber with the Mk108.

[g00b]

I'm confused. Was there a real life G-10? Why do we not have that one anymore?

[Karnak]

The real Bf109G-10 was a mishmash of different configurations ranging from a bit better then our Bf109G-14 to just a hair under the Bf109K-4.

[g00b]

Any idea why we don't have one or more of the G-10 varients? Simply redundant?

[Karnak]

I don't know specifically, but given the Bf109G-10s entered service in 10-44, the same month as the Bf109K-4, I'd bet it was redundantacy that did it in.

[AutoPilot]

The real Bf109G-10 was a mishmash of different configurations ranging from a bit better then our Bf109G-14 to just a hair under the Bf109K-4.

I think the spit flyer's and the other than LW flyer's should stick too those planes.The 109 G-14 will dive at up too 550MPH with out compression,as will the rest of the 109's.At 550 MPH the G-10 would lock up and compress,now they do not.

[Mime]

i am glad the k4 is in the game with no 20mm or gondola option.  now you will have to fly it like a man, with 30mm.  the skin or textures look a little fuzzy though.  is that my gfx settings?

[Bruno]

Originally posted by g00b
Any idea why we don't have one or more of the G-10 varients? Simply redundant?

It would have been redundant with the K-4 (both the G-10 and K-4 have same DB605D engine and entered service 10-44). The K-4 had the better top speed though.  I argued to keep the G-10 with a fixed FM to represent the AS engined 109s (G-14/AS, G-6/AS). The G-14/AS saw service in June/Juli '44 same as the G-14.

The AS engine (DB605AS for the G-6/AS; or DB605ASM for the G-14/AS; M = MW-50) has the larger supercharger from the DB603 and gave better performance at higher altitudes but was slower down low. This is the same supercharger that's on the DB605D (G-10 / K-4 engine).

As such a G-14/AS would have been slower then the current G-14 down low but almost as fast as the real G-10* up high. I had hoped to keep the G-10 with 'fixed' FM. Get the G-14 and perk the K-4.

But the G-14 addition is good enough!!!

*real G-10 performance numbers; G-14/AS - 425mph or so top speed compared to 415mph or so for the non-AS G-14 (what is in AH now) and a higher FTH as well.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
The 109 G-14 will dive at up too 550MPH with out compression,as will the rest of the 109's.  At 550 MPH the G-10 would lock up and compress,now they do not.

Then I have a different flight model on my game.  My 109s lock up at just over 450mph, and if you don't get the throttle cut back and bleed speed with the rudder, you eat dirt.  In a dive, I am constantly checking my speed in the 109.  I think compression has killed me almost as much as bullets.

I will try the G14, if it does in fact handle at speed, it may be worth looking at.

[GRUNHERZ]

So 1700 Bf109G6 had the 30mm cannon and HTC removes that option....   Thats just wrong.

And saying that 65 rounds means its 65 kills is utterly false reasoning as very few people are able to hit well with that gun in a 109.

The 30mm should be put back in the G6.

[Mr No Name]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
As Erich Hartmann says,when the enemy fills your windscreen you cannot possibly miss.

It only takes a couple of rounds too kill a bomber with the Mk108.

problem is, with buff guns never jumping from turbulence or recoil and pings possible from 2k from a bomber you wont live long enough to fill your windscreen

[1K3]

nah, i like the weapons diversity for 109s. keep some *as is* but

* leave the 30mm option only to 109G-14 and 109K-4
* 109G-6 needs the extra 200 rounds of 20mm ammo back

i really like the weapons diversity for 109s and spits

109s
E-4 - 2x MG-17, 2x MG-FF
F-4 - 2x MG-17, 1x MG-151
G-2 - 2x MG-17, 1x MG-151   plus   GONDOLAS and bombs for fuselage
G-6 - 2x MG-131, 1x MG-151   plus   GONDOLAS, WGr-21 rockets, 1 bomb for fuselage
G-14 - 2x MG-131, 1x MG-151 OR MK-108   plus   GONDOLAS, WGr-21 rockets, 1 bomb for fuselage
K-4 - 2x MG-131, 1x MK-108

SPITS
mk1 - 8x 303
mk5 - 4x 303, 2x hispano (120 rounds)
mk9 - 4x 303, 2x hispano
mk14 - 2x 12.7, 2x hispano
mk8 - 4x 303, 2x hispano   plus  GP bomb for fuselage
mk16 - 2x 12.7, 2x hispano   plus   wing bombs and rockets, fuselage bombs