Why was 109G10 retired ??

[Bruno]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So 1700 Bf109G6 had the 30mm cannon and HTC removes that option....   Thats just wrong.

That's 1700 out of 12000 over a 2-3 year production run...

And saying that 65 rounds means its 65 kills is utterly false reasoning as very few people are able to hit well with that gun in a 109.

The 30mm should be put back in the G6.

I didn't say that, I said:

3cm is 1 shot - 1 kill on any fighter. That's a potential of 65 kills, even if your hit % averages around 10%, that's 6 kills per sortie. 2 to 4 hits to kill a bomber (depending where you hit them) is plenty to down 3 or 4 of them.

The G-6 is fine with out the 3cm. Hopefully, Pyro will add the full load out for the G-6 (200 rounds for the center line and 140 rounds per gondola). The G-14 is just a G-6 with MW-50 and has 3cm. In the main just fly it, it's the same plane as the G-6 late but with better "WEP".

The G-6 will get most of its use in events, scenarios and in ToD. Especially in '43 events. As such there were only 181 /U4s produced. Most G-6s had MG151/2cm, the /U4 variant doesn't represent the typical G-6 that the allies faced regularly in combat.

[AKFokerFoder+]

Originally posted by Bruno
That's 1700 out of 12000 over a 2-3 year production run...



I didn't say that, I said:



The G-6 is fine with out the 3cm. Hopefully, Pyro will add the full load out for the G-6 (200 rounds for the center line and 140 rounds per gondola). The G-14 is just a G-6 with MW-50 and has 3cm. In the main just fly it, it's the same plane as the G-6 late but with better "WEP".

The G-6 will get most of its use in events, scenarios and in ToD. Especially in '43 events. As such there were only 181 /U4s produced. Most G-6s had MG151/2cm, the /U4 variant doesn't represent the typical G-6 that the allies faced regularly in combat.

You seem to make having more realistic scenarios in the CT as a reason not to have all historical loadouts available in the Main Arena.  The logic just doesn't flow.

The MA is not  really very historical other than it uses WWII type of aircraft.

If the G6 had 30mms and gondolas, there is no logical reason the main arena shouldn't have those options.  Now a historical scenario, the CT or an event is a different story.

I think we need as much diversity in planesets as possible to encourage a more diverse experience in MA game play.

[1K3]

Tour of Duty will and should replace (MA i hope).  I think its the reason why its important to have *historical loadouts*

[Bruno]

I think we need as much diversity in planesets as possible to encourage a more diverse experience in MA game play.

I don't care anything about the main, it won't ever get any 'better' then what it is now. Besides, the G-14 is a far better main arena plane then the G-6, 3cm or not... They both have gondolas.

Diversity means nothing in the main, it never has. There will always be a handful of planes everyone flies because they are the 'bestest'. Folks have already began calling for the Spit XVI to be perked. It seems to me that when ever they introduce a plane to the main that will actually have an impact, other folks cry about it. It's either 'poor me all my fav planes are porked' or 'look at all those dweebs flying those dweeb planes'.

Tour of Duty will and should replace (MA i hope).

ToD won't ever replace the main...

[Grits]

Originally posted by 1K3
Tour of Duty will and should replace (MA i hope).

That's a big fat negative. ToD is for a completely different audience than the players that currently populate the MA. Once the "new" wears off, I would be shocked if more than 5% of current MA players stay in ToD.

[AutoPilot]

problem is, with buff guns never jumping from turbulence or recoil and pings possible from 2k from a bomber you wont live long enough to fill your windscreen

Look me up in the TA sometime i'll show you some different attack angles.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by 1K3
Tour of Duty will and should replace (MA i hope).  I think its the reason why its important to have *historical loadouts*

And you base this on what assumption?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Bruno
That's 1700 out of 12000 over a 2-3 year production run...

The G-6 will get most of its use in events, scenarios and in ToD. Especially in '43 events. As such there were only 181 /U4s produced. Most G-6s had MG151/2cm, the /U4 variant doesn't represent the typical G-6 that the allies faced regularly in combat.

2 or 3 year production run? Thats simply incorrect, G6 enterd production in march  43 and was out of production by fall of 1944, Barely 1.5 years.

1700 Bf109G6 had the 30mm gun thats a huge number, no other variant in AH with that much production has been removed.

It makes no sense.

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by Bruno
3cm is 1 shot - 1 kill on any fighter.

This is simply not true anymore.

[Scrap]

Originally posted by 1K3
The 109G-10 lives on as a 109G-14 or K-4... hmmmm

I think we need a 109 experten to answer why 109G-10 is replaced with G-14 or K-4. Im confused too

Because the old G10 was WRONG.  BTW, the G10 was my mainstay for a while... but I prefer the K4.  Never used those stikin gondies anyways.  Learn to aim.

[Scrap]

Originally posted by gatt
HTC is doing an excellent work.

The K-4 is an excellent dogfighter. But not a buff hunter.

They pull away a good buff hunter already present in the planeset with no apparent reason. Solution: put gondolas on the K-4.

The G-14 with gondolas doesnt seem as good as the G-10.

We, axis players, need a buff hunter. Use the FW190?    Boy, we are not in the real thing where B-17 where chased and downed even by twin engined fighter at altitude. We are in the Main. Take up a 190A-8, get to 25K and then chase buff in the Main. Good luck  

All clear?

I fail to see your point...  Lean the Luftwobbles before you make another dumb comment like this please.

[ghi]

Originally posted by Bruno
3cm is 1 shot - 1 kill on any fighter. That's a potential of 65 kills,

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 Realy, ?!  are going to shoot 30mm on .salvo 1 ?   Come and vulch me, i want to see if you can fire the 30mm, 65 times one by one:)

[Bruno]

Thats simply incorrect, G6 enterd production in march 43 and was out of production by fall of 1944, Barely 1.5 years.

The G-6 entered squadron service with II./JG 77, II./JG 27 and II./JG 51 in February 1943 (Prien & Rodeike).

Production began some months prior (deployment an production are not the same thing). In late fall '42  production began on the G-6, by the end of the year it was in 'full production'.  Production stopped by fall '44 like you said...

less the 3 but more then 1.5 years...

[gatt]

Originally posted by Scrap
I fail to see your point...  Lean the Luftwobbles before you make another dumb comment like this please.

Oh, I was only saying that we now have a less effective buff hunter. But probably your too dumb to understand

Edit: Nevermind, judging from your stats you dont even know whats buff hunting

[Bruno]

This is simply not true anymore.

I haven't had any issues...

Realy, ?! are going to shoot 30mm on .salvo 1 ? Come and vulch me, i want to see if you can fire the 30mm, 65 times one by one

I can fire 1 shot at a time, (I made a film but it doesn't show, no flash, tracer or the counter going down...) but you definitely can fire one shot at a time.

That's here-nor-there what I said was:

That's a potential of 65 kills, even if your hit % averages around 10%, that's 6 kills per sortie.