Can the ordinance porking be addressed?

[whels]

Originally posted by GooseAW
I've seen alot of great ideas in this thread. MAybe HT can pull some adjustments out of it assuming they agree there is a need.

With more players on most of the time, and a higher level of accuracy on bomb drops, I do believe there is a need for adjustment.

I would caution that the factories only idea is risky because potentially 1 squad could remove ordinance (for example) from and entire country in one good pass. I think the hardness is thre better approach.

A good step was moving the FHs out of line so that 1 formation of B26s can't flatten them in one pass. More is needed however and I hope HT agrees.

expanding on the factory idea.

ok each country could have 1 major factory per catagory(ammo/fuel/troops)  near HQ, with more supplimental support fatories(supply depots) in each zone.

now if u only kill the zone supply depots, fields go down to 50%, cause u still have some supply coming in from the main factory. if u only kill the factory but not the supply depot maybe 75% available.  now if u kill both
 then reduce (fuel/ammo/troops) quantity available down to 25%.

make the factory complex huge and hard to kill, supply depots large but easier to kill.

have ammo/fuel/troop bunkers on field when they go down, the supply depot closest to field will send out a supply convoy. if it makes the field
then it resupplies the field to full up. BUT if u interdict the convoy
field is not resupplied.  give those mossies and jabos reason to convoy hunt !   same thing with trains  from main factories to depots!

[Edbert]

Originally posted by LePaul
Wow, could you make this a bit *more* of a personal attack?  Please?  I dont quite feel villified completely yet,  Edbert.

Im impresed how you've turned a simple idea for hardening ordinance into how I am now the evil source for all things that make Fighter Hangars go down.  Its a strat discussion.  And clearly, anyone who doesnt agree with you is a very poor sport.  Im sorry to say, that reflects very poorly on yourself.

I mean, call me kooky, but its just a game...and I was just floating a suggestion.  No one here has called you childish or commented on your sportsmanship as a result of your ideas.

Perhaps the old addage "If you cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all" should apply?

If you want to comment on the ideas posted, have at.  But if all you intend to do is flame the posters for not agreeing, well...back away from the keyboard, count to 10 and get a grip, dude.

Guess I hit a nerve.

You seem to be the one taking things way to seriously and definitely too personally rather than me. I merely pointed out your selfishness, the truth hurts sometimes I guess.

If the terms childish and selfish are incorrectly placed (they are not insults they are descriptive terms to anyone who can remove their ego from a rational dicussion) then what would you call a request to change the game in ways that would hurt other players just to make you happy?

Okay to unpersonalize it then...in my opinion ANYONE who wants the game changed and other players penalized in order to make themselves happy is childish and a poor sport. That also applies to furballers who want indestructible FHs. Is that better?

[LePaul]

I dont know where to begin....so Ill just roll my eyes  

[Morpheus]

A kitten has been born.

[Stang]

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[CHECKERS]

Originally posted by Sandman
It's all cause and affect.

Closer bases = more furballs and more low alt bombers
More low alt bombers = more porked ordnance and troops


There is no arena that will be all things to all people. No matter what, there will be whining.

.........


  Maybe not, Simple fix to all this crap ? Sure  , just 3 small Islands, 3 small bases, that can not be  crippled or killed, far enough away from the rest of the bases, and  independent of, and have no impact whatsoever on,  the outcome of the struggle for the total war on the map.
 Simple as that....

[Tilt]

I dont like how easy it is to pork stuf such as fuel, ammo and barracks.

Bombs should be required to despatch these items not single straffing runs...........

Particularly with respect to ammo......

My view

Ammo should be in hardened bunkers requiring 1500 to 2000lbs each

Fuel should be tougher than now at least 1000lbs or there should be double the number of fuel stores per field currently.

Barracks should not support supplies...........hangers should support supplies.

Barracks should support only troops............

at air fields these should be considered para's and so there will be less of them. (probably the same as now)

at ports and gv fields these should be considered infantry or marines and the number of barrack objects should be increased 5 fold if not more IMO.


As for game play and strat considerations I still believe that the airfield should be removed from the land grab objective. A system where towns, ports and cities defended by Gv type fields have to be captured would move attention away from the airfield. Airfields should be gained or lost when their logistic supply routes are gained or lost through the capture of towns, ports and cities. In this model rides are always available but strat decides the availability/replenishment rate of drunks, supplies, fuel and ord..............capture points are never at fields but deep in towns, cities or ports.

a % of destroyed town buildings (not all of them) has to be achieved before capture is possible. There would be big towns(cities) and small towns (as now) as well as towns at ports.

when a field is evacuated due to loss of all logistic supply routes then the field remains dead for a set time (1 or 2 minutes?) before the other side can use it.

With the exception of this dead time opposing fighter forces can always be at adjacent fields whilst the furball is not mixed with the land grab unless its a consequence of the land grab.

[DipStick]

The problem with making everything "harder" is that it encourages the horde mentality. It's a catch 22.

Edit to add: I do agree that you shouldn't be able to strafe anything down.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by DipStick
The problem with making everything "harder" is that it encourages the horde mentality. It's a catch 22.

And hurts those being horded,

Leave it the way it is.
bombers shouldnt be taking off from front line bases anyway

[DoKGonZo]

I like Tilt's idea but it'd take some serious time to implement.

I agree that heavy bombers using froward and/or smaller fields doesn't make much sense.

I disagree that ord/bar porking is only done to stop The Horde - when I checked in last night Rooks were the smallest side and along one front our barracks were porked 3 bases deep. As has been stated by others, the ease with which one lone player can completely stall an entire front of the arena for a very extended period of time is an imbalance.

Having more barracks and ammo depots makes some sense, but that will take time to implement (modify maps).

I think a quick fix is possible, something which could be quickly put into place which wouldn't require reworking maps or retooling lots of host code. Maybe a combination of fixes. Some ideas (most mentioned already):

- Shorten the repair timer on bar/ord.
- Big whopping perk bonus for resupplying a base.
- Taking down ord only affects bombs, rockets still available for dealing w/GV's.
- Taking down bar reduces the lift capacity by half - so you need 2 goons/m3s to capture. (To those who say "that won't stop the Horde" ... count how many times in a night you hear "Anyone got a goon for this field?" ... now imagine that it takes 2 goons.)
- Harden bar/ord so that they can't be porked by cannon fire alone.

These are easy to implement (based on what I know of the host code) and could have an immediate impact on keeping fronts from stalling out because of the compulsive habits of a few players.

     -DoK

[GooseAW]

I don't know what time you logged on "last night" or what time zone "fornicalia" is in but the rooks where the horde last night!  

At one point it was like 230 rooks V 140 or so on other sides! Not a whine was just the first time I've seen that lopsided a count in a while.

As for leaving the rockets up, there just plain worthless against hvy armor anymore.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by CHECKERS
.........


  Maybe not, Simple fix to all this crap ? Sure  , just 3 small Islands, 3 small bases, that can not be  crippled or killed, far enough away from the rest of the bases, and  independent of, and have no impact whatsoever on,  the outcome of the struggle for the total war on the map.
 Simple as that....

Sounds like the FFA area in the DA.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And hurts those being horded,

Leave it the way it is.
bombers shouldnt be taking off from front line bases anyway

...and "front line" bases are usually separated by more than just 30 miles.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by GooseAW
I don't know what time you logged on "last night" or what time zone "fornicalia" is in but the rooks where the horde last night!  

At one point it was like 230 rooks V 140 or so on other sides! Not a whine was just the first time I've seen that lopsided a count in a while.

As for leaving the rockets up, there just plain worthless against hvy armor anymore.

El Lay is PST. So I guess I checked in around midnite on the East coast.

[Morpheus]

yup, over 230 rooks on last night.