Author Topic: has anyone flown the 190A5 lately? (Read 2846 times)

Larry · « **Reply #60 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:18:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Are you trying your very best to missread and missunderstand or is that something that just happens???

Note this part and read it carefully:

That means I flew it in the COMBAT THEATER before it changed to a new setting and I compared that to the current MA and also Offline with my own setup.

It hasn't changed nor was it different in the CT.

Wilbus the Cms can change the stall limeter and stall AoA any time they wish. Some weeks you cant stall a plane at all and some weeks you bearly pull on the stick and you stall out. Its all up to the CM to make the settings to what he thinks they should be. A few months after AH2 came out we were flying the CT and you had to hit a plane with 4-5 30mms to take off thier wing, yet the allied planes seen normal. after a while fork came in and we told him about it. He went into the setting and found one of the ammo lethalitys were tuned down he set it to normal and it was fixed.

Grits · « **Reply #61 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:28:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Yall say that the "Stall AoA" only works when you have "Stall Limiter" on.

"We" dont say it, HT says it. Not to be blunt, but I should believe you over HT?

Larry · « **Reply #62 on:** December 03, 2005, 12:34:10 PM »

It really doesnt matter who said it. But when you mess with those two settings it screws up the planes stall. You notice it more on the 190s because of thier already high stall. And it can and has happened in the CT.

Wilbus · « **Reply #63 on:** December 03, 2005, 02:39:06 PM »

Larry, I am very aware of what changes can be set and what can't be set. I was on the special events team for a while + I mess around offline.

LETHALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS FLIGHT MODELL.

Lethality can be changed ALOT both up and down. That does NOT affect stall.

The way planes perform is based on a flight modell code which exists in your computer UNLESS you use Stall Limiter and then, and only then, can your FM be affected through the server. Changing the AoA changes the AoA for people with stall limiter ONLY. Believe me or don't believe me, it is up to you.

I've messed around with it my self + Hitech said so in a post himself. Uhm, let's see who might be right?

Geeee guys...

Larry · « **Reply #64 on:** December 03, 2005, 04:51:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Larry, I am very aware of what changes can be set and what can't be set. I was on the special events team for a while + I mess around offline.

LETHALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS FLIGHT MODELL.

Lethality can be changed ALOT both up and down. That does NOT affect stall.

The way planes perform is based on a flight modell code which exists in your computer UNLESS you use Stall Limiter and then, and only then, can your FM be affected through the server. Changing the AoA changes the AoA for people with stall limiter ONLY. Believe me or don't believe me, it is up to you.

I've messed around with it my self + Hitech said so in a post himself. Uhm, let's see who might be right?

Geeee guys...

I never said anything close to lethality messing with the flight model. I said the CMs can mess up settings and screw the arena up, and how planes fly in there. I gave an example of it. Just like with the H2Hers make the planes have the ammo up 100x it messes with how the plane flys.

Wilbus · « **Reply #65 on:** December 03, 2005, 05:53:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Wilbus the Cms can change the stall limeter and stall AoA any time they wish. Some weeks you cant stall a plane at all and some weeks you bearly pull on the stick and you stall out. Its all up to the CM to make the settings to what he thinks they should be. A few months after AH2 came out we were flying the CT and you had to hit a plane with 4-5 30mms to take off thier wing, yet the allied planes seen normal. after a while fork came in and we told him about it. He went into the setting and found one of the ammo lethalitys were tuned down he set it to normal and it was fixed.

Nope you mentioned lethality though. I never said you said lethality messed with the FM.

I mentioned that lethality is not the same as FM as lethality can be directly controlled though the server/host/arena. The FM can't (except for stall limiter which I have already explained).

CM's can't mess up the FM by changing anything apart from AoA when it comes to stall limiter (and even then stall limiter must be enabled at each persons FE)

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I never said anything close to lethality messing with the flight model. I said the CMs can mess up settings and screw the arena up, and how planes fly in there. I gave an example of it. Just like with the H2Hers make the planes have the ammo up 100x it messes with how the plane flys.

Max ammo multiplier is 10 times. It does not mess with how planes fly, it is just a number. The weight is not added.

Krusty · « **Reply #66 on:** December 03, 2005, 08:24:10 PM »

Actually.. max ammo SLIDER stops at 10x. If you type in a multiple by hand that is 20 or 100 times more, it will work too.

EDIT: Oh and I've done a lot of HTH. You can force the stall limiter on for all players, and then monkey with the AOA. If you set it to 90 people can't do anything but fly straight lol.

Larry · « **Reply #67 on:** December 03, 2005, 10:08:51 PM »

Like krusty said you can type the number. And yes one of the HTC staffers said is adds more wieght and makes it harder to fly. I didnt say anything about messing with the FM only HTC can redo that. Im taking about the stall limit and stall AoA. And as I said bofore they can turn the stall limit on for all people even if you have it off. Then the stall AoA effects you to.

Krusty · « **Reply #68 on:** December 03, 2005, 10:15:13 PM »

Negative on the extra weight... Whatever loadout you choose in the hangar is the weight of all your ammo. That never gets lighter until it drops below default. That's been proven, otherwise HTH rooms with 200x ammo you'd never be able to take off.

Larry · « **Reply #69 on:** December 03, 2005, 11:41:10 PM »

Ok then then thats what I read. If you dump ammo you loos the weight.

Krusty · « **Reply #70 on:** December 04, 2005, 12:38:13 AM »

CC, if you have default (1x) ammo, and you dump ammo, you will lose weight. Say you're in a spit with 240 rounds 20mm. You have 240 rounds' weight in your plane.

Say you have 2x ammo, though, and it lists 480 rounds 20mm, you will only have 240 rounds' weight, until you drop that ammo to 239, then it decreases as normal.

Wilbus · « **Reply #71 on:** December 04, 2005, 03:53:51 AM »

Kwel didn't know you could bring it higher.

The weight issue is a fact though. 3000 rounds or 300 rounds would make one hell of a difference in climb rate for example. Go offline and try it yourself. No difference.

straffo · « **Reply #72 on:** December 05, 2005, 04:22:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
There was the implication that the CT staff could change the flight characteristics of planes. Cliffra's research shows that, with the exception of fuel burn rate, this isn't so (except for people who use the stall limiter). I think it's important that everyone know that, because from time to time some have accused CT staffers of changing settings to promote their favorite planes.

So, now that it's all been explained, we can forget about that, yes?

- oldman

I think we have the explaination of the difference in behaviour between arena.

Krusty · « **Reply #73 on:** December 05, 2005, 10:40:55 AM »

No, we don't. Fuel burn is not an issue. In the MA you might take a full load of gas and have 50% by the time you climb out and are at the fight. In the CT you take maybe 50% and have 25% by the time you get to the fight, or LESS. That means they would perform better, fly as if lighter, *not* that it would screw with stall settings.

All I know is that several times over the years I've had no problems flying a plane at all, and I go to the the CT and that plane (which I'm rather good with, but not great) can't stop flopping around, and I can't even "pull up" gently without snap stalling. I'm talking the whole gamut from P51s to 109s to 190s. I never knew what caused it. I still don't. But it sure as hell ain't fuel burn.

Larry · « **Reply #74 on:** December 05, 2005, 11:50:45 AM »

I dont think straffo gets it. Iv been flying CT for over 4 years, but this stuff only happens every once and a while. The fuel burn in the CT is eather 1 or sometimes when jester sets it up he puts it to 1.25 or 1.50, and its never happened in one of his setups so you cant blame that. OM I dont think CM change the settings so other planes fly like crap. I think the CMs change the settings and not understand what one setting does and it screws with the stall by mistake.