Australian Hanged for drug smuggling

[lazs2]

and as for the guy in singapore being detered?  yep.   But... let's say his story is on the level... His brother or mother or whatever is in deep with these guys who are running things...  killing him did nothing to deter the real smuggler... the guys holding the cards..  they will just get someone else in the same bind.

Do you think they cared that the guy got executed?  do you think it deterred them?

lazs

[mora]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Laz,



We used to go over to Holland on the weekends to buy dope in Amsterdam. The experience of watching the junkies in parks, hungrily eyeing a bike they thought they might be able to steal to get another hit, or getting solicited by girls in their teens who were desperate for a fix almost made me stop doing drugs myself (I managed to avoid that by clinging to the arrogant belief "that could never happen to me".)
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As bad as the "war on drugs" is, trust me no one, not you, not me, not the users, and certainly not their children deserves to live in a society with legalized narcotics.

So it's better to kick the litter under the carpet? Of course drug use is more visible in a country where drug users are not arrested. The US and UK for example are doing much worse on the drug statistics, even when they have stiff drug laws. Anyway drugs are not legal in Holland. Only the sale of some soft drugs is tolerated and drug use is usually not punished. The manufacturing of even the tolerated soft drugs is illegal, and causes an illegal black market(like in all countries). You cannot use Holland as an example of a place where drugs are legal, even if you do it would compare favorably to neighbouring countries on almost all accounts.

[mora]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The modern society tries to understand the addicts, it tries to tolerate their behaviour and honor their rights.  

Yes, of course they shouldn't get any special treatment. For example if they need needles, they should pay for them just like any other people who need needles. If they commit a crime they should face the same penalties(preferably stiffer than currently here) like everyone else.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by SOB
I think Sandy was probably making the comparison to marijuana.

Even so, a swedish study has shown that marijuana use by young adults increases (dramatically) the likelyhood they'll develop a psychosis.

Sandman, when was the last time some robbed, mugged, or killed for their morning "caffeine fix". Likewise, you won't get turned down from a job because you like to have a coffee in the mornings... even a cigarette. Neither of these have massive impacts on your performance as an employee (ok as a non-smoker I could see some issues with dirty stinking smokers...but you know what I mean).

Hard drugs create "zombies", thats about as best I can describe them. Because even if you get these people off the drugs they're still alll f**ked up.

If it were up to me, I'd charter a C130 and kick the b*stards out over the poppie fields in Laos and Cambodia, let em have what they want, take the customers straight to the source, and cut out the middle men all together.

[wasq]

Originally posted by lazs2
and as for the guy in singapore being detered?  yep.   But... let's say his story is on the level... His brother or mother or whatever is in deep with these guys who are running things...  killing him did nothing to deter the real smuggler... the guys holding the cards..  they will just get someone else in the same bind.

That may be true, and probaly is. However, in this particular case (Singapore) it should be clear to the drug mule what the penalty is. I've been to Singapore twice thus far, and EVERY time I entered the country, I had to sign an "Immigration notice" or whatever that slip is called. It says in very clear BLOCK LETTERS: "UNDER SINGAPORE LAW ALL DRUG TRAFFICKERS WILL BE HANGED", which in my understanding will tell each one their possible future if they happen to be carrying drugs. So, if he values the life of his brother above his own, that's his choice. If not, he should have turned the offer down. I think this pretty much boils down to the fact that the brother has made some unfortunate contacts and made the other brother pay for his sins.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Even so, a swedish study has shown that marijuana use by young adults increases (dramatically) the likelyhood they'll develop a psychosis.

Sandman, when was the last time some robbed, mugged, or killed for their morning "caffeine fix". Likewise, you won't get turned down from a job because you like to have a coffee in the mornings... even a cigarette. Neither of these have massive impacts on your performance as an employee (ok as a non-smoker I could see some issues with dirty stinking smokers...but you know what I mean).

Hard drugs create "zombies", thats about as best I can describe them. Because even if you get these people off the drugs they're still alll f**ked up.

If it were up to me, I'd charter a C130 and kick the b*stards out over the poppie fields in Laos and Cambodia, let em have what they want, take the customers straight to the source, and cut out the middle men all together.

What about drunks who kill someone casue there driving drunk?
Drugs are not the big evil here people! its the clowns that take no responabilty for there actions while impared.


Yaq wanna get drunk? great stay at home or take a cab.
Wanna get high on your drug of choice? fine stay at home or take a cab.

You see trend here its ok to be a dumbares just as long as you hurt noone else.

[mora]

Originally posted by Vulcan
and people will drive drunk, and people will fiddle with kiddies, and people will rob, and people will steal... it doesn't mean we have to legalize those things.

All those crimes have a victim, someones rights are allways violated when any of those acts are committed. That is the reason they are illegal.

[Red Tail 444]

Good. Maybe if we took drug smuggling here as serious as they did, our streets might be a bit cleaner, too

WTG Singapore. that's what getting tough on crime should look like.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by BluKitty
If you say so .... In the U.S. at least, there are soooooo many laws no one person can know them all ... it is impossible, and remember ... ignorance is no excuse.  

I pretty much have the ones for which I can be executed committed to memory.  Took me about 8 seconds of concentrated effort.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
What about drunks who kill someone casue there driving drunk?
Drugs are not the big evil here people! its the clowns that take no responabilty for there actions while impared.


Yaq wanna get drunk? great stay at home or take a cab.
Wanna get high on your drug of choice? fine stay at home or take a cab.

You see trend here its ok to be a dumbares just as long as you hurt noone else.

he didnt stay home:lol

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
What about drunks who kill someone casue there driving drunk?
Drugs are not the big evil here people! its the clowns that take no responabilty for there actions while impared.


Yaq wanna get drunk? great stay at home or take a cab.
Wanna get high on your drug of choice? fine stay at home or take a cab.

You see trend here its ok to be a dumbares just as long as you hurt noone else.

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

[Seagoon]

Hello Mora,

Originally posted by mora
You cannot use Holland as an example of a place where drugs are legal, even if you do it would compare favorably to neighbouring countries on almost all accounts.

Actually, the result of Holland's liberalization of drug laws is that it has become the Drug Capital of Europe and a nightmare for every European nation within smuggling distance. I went to Amsterdam to buy weed (especially when we got tired of Black Hashish) but I could have bought everything from Amphetamines to Heroin on the street, and in many areas in plain sight of passers-by.

The best article on the total failure of Holland's 23 year "experiment" I first read on a board dedicated to liberalizing drug laws.  It's Available here: Holland's Half-Baked Drug Experiment

The article was written by Larry Collins a journalist and the author a couple of excellent books, Freedom at Midnight (the best book on the Indian struggle for independence I've read to date) and Is Paris Burning.

Give it a read, its both entertaining and enlightening.

- SEAGOON

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by lazs2
and as for the guy in singapore being detered?  yep.   But... let's say his story is on the level... His brother or mother or whatever is in deep with these guys who are running things...  killing him did nothing to deter the real smuggler... the guys holding the cards..  they will just get someone else in the same bind.

Do you think they cared that the guy got executed?  do you think it deterred them?

lazs

I'm sure the growers, and the importers/distributors all threw in the towel when their mule got strung up...they would've all run straight into custody hands held high if he was twitching away in public

 Tronsky

[mora]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Hello Mora,

 

Actually, the result of Holland's liberalization of drug laws is that it has become the Drug Capital of Europe and a nightmare for every European nation within smuggling distance. I went to Amsterdam to buy weed (especially when we got tired of Black Hashish) but I could have bought everything from Amphetamines to Heroin on the street, and in many areas in plain sight of passers-by.

The best article on the total failure of Holland's 23 year "experiment" I first read on a board dedicated to liberalizing drug laws.  It's Available here: Holland's Half-Baked Drug Experiment

The article was written by Larry Collins a journalist and the author a couple of excellent books, Freedom at Midnight (the best book on the Indian struggle for independence I've read to date) and Is Paris Burning.

Give it a read, its both entertaining and enlightening.

- SEAGOON

Holland was allready the drug trafficking capital when they liberalized the laws regarding soft drugs, it has allways been. Drug use has gone up everywhere so naturally trafficing has gone up too. Also drug tourism is a problem in Holland, but that's pretty unavoidable in a situation like this.

[lazs2]

wasq.. If I have a weakness it is that I will do anything to save one of my own... maybe the drug dealers played on that?

I find it very uncomfortable to see who the people are that are agreeing with me in this thread and who is not... I take comfort in the fact that I would deal with real drug violations more harshly than the liberals here..

any impairment is cause for termination if the employer wishes... any impairment while driving is cause for lose of licence to drive... any injuries while impaired to other people should carry additional penalties... for instance... if you run someone down it should be assault with intent to kill... you don't care about others when you are loaded... you intend to harm them if you are out amoung them impaired.

I think that holland is a bad example.... or... a good one... It would be great iof there were one spot that all the druggies could go away from the rest of us..  as it is.. they go there because they are driven there... not because they are upstanding citizens who are unable to stop themselves.

as for addiction... certain people are addictive no matter what...  but.. drugs don't instantly addict.   You can do heroin for weeks if you have no prediliction for addiction and you can stop instantly.... I have done it.

Like I said... anyone who wants to try any drug in the world is not being stopped by the war on drugs.   That is just the fact.

lazs