F-86 & Mig-15

[321BAR]

Ok. 1: This is a WWII arena yes. 2: WWII planes should be added and worked on before WWI or even Korea. 3: Who wouldnt want to go 500 mph in a high G turn trying to get your 30mm cannons to kill a nice lil Mig15 in your F86? 4: I'd even like to see WWI updated before one F86 flies by me... 5: in the end we all want Korea

Well Yeah but no perks and and only available in a Korean War arena.  Heck, even one of my grandsons (6years old) , knows that the F-86 and Mig 15 weren't around in WWII.

All the Best...

    Jay

you're lucky because one of my friends mixes up the Civil War Era with WWII and even Iraq. Dates, times, people, and events are all there but he thinks Teddy Roosevelt was alive in 1945 and the Russian Revolution was in the 1960s and Vietnam is a country in europe...

[Glasses]

Again this is not a WW2 Game , but a game that has WW2  planes,and WW1 planes as well mind you. And the Main Arenas have absolutely nothing to do with historical  authenticity.
If you read the first page, its well implied that these planes didn't participate during WW2 as their technology was "borrowed" from Me262s and other German projects after the war refined and improved, etc.



Just make a smaller arena 50 max players all aircraft from WW1 to Korean Era.

Perk the latter heavily, 3 times as much as the 262s. On a trial basis if it doesn't have a commendable amount of participants just scratch it completely.


What do I know I'm sure there are droves of people around the world wanting to participate in an online  air war type massive multiplayer game as it has a large market share ,why would anyone want to expand the user base, right?  

See this^

Oh and I've been here for more than 4 years,ever since beta   

[wgmount]

 And lets not forget the AC-47, AKA 'Puff the Magic Dragon', with it's side-firing vulcans for all your ground attack needs

This would be in the Vietnam era arena. The 7.62 miniguns only fired out of the left side. They were not the General Electric M61 Vulcan that fired 20mm

[Glasses]

Get up thar!

[TnDep]

I agree totally, big boost in player base would happen.  Having non perked Jet arena would boost player base for the people looking for a sim for jets.  Also this would give HTC a chance to change the home page to WWII and Korean Jet War SIM.  Big thoughts Slash I like it, it would do very well for HTC no dought.

Thumbs down on them being in the MA.


Big thumbs up on having a Korea era arena. It would go over rather big I think.

[321BAR]

I agree totally, big boost in player base would happen.  Having non perked Jet arena would boost player base for the people looking for a sim for jets.  Also this would give HTC a chance to change the home page to WWII and Korean Jet War SIM.  Big thoughts Slash I like it, it would do very well for HTC no dought.

it would go over rather big for Korea and rather bad for WWII... alert, suction of players out of LWMA imminent... although we'd only be left with the devoted WWII players and base takers and team workers, we'd lose half of primetime to Korea

[gyrene81]

it would go over rather big for Korea and rather bad for WWII... alert, suction of players out of LWMA imminent... although we'd only be left with the devoted WWII players and base takers and team workers, we'd lose half of primetime to Korea

I dunno...I'd be willing to bet within the first 30 days it would be like the WWI arenas...with exception that most of the squeaker population would be in it.

That could be a good thing.

[321BAR]

I dunno...I'd be willing to bet within the first 30 days it would be like the WWI arenas...with exception that most of the squeaker population would be in it.

That could be a good thing.

actually i think youre right... it'd turn into a bad version of WWI... least WWI has an honorable ideal to it. The flyers there actually have fun, dont ruin the fun, and i've only had laughs upon laughs in there from just talking to people

[Glasses]

actually i think youre right... it'd turn into a bad version of WWI... least WWI has an honorable ideal to it. The fliers there actually have fun, don't ruin the fun, and I've only had laughs upon laughs in there from just talking to people

Not if there was  an exclusive(inclusive )  FFA Arena. It would then merge all eras into one. Same concept of perks but the later era perked heavily ,this gives someone something to strive for besides the 262 , which has been used ad nauseum  for the last couple of years. Removing for these the variable perk cost multiplier depending on side numbers, making the penalty for a loss severe. Which would balance the availability and encourage still the use of prop driven aircraft to acquire perks to fly them. With non transferable perks from the LW orange and Blue. IE it would be their own arena with same countries and perk eny values. Add something different, a new layer even to Aces High and playing mode.

[gyrene81]

Not if there was  an exclusive(inclusive )  FFA Arena. It would then merge all eras into one. Same concept of perks but the later era perked heavily ,this gives someone something to strive for besides the 262 , which has been used ad nauseum  for the last couple of years. Removing for these the variable perk cost multiplier depending on side numbers, making the penalty for a loss severe. Which would balance the availability and encourage still the use of prop driven aircraft to acquire perks to fly them. With non transferable perks from the LW orange and Blue. IE it would be their own arena with same countries and perk eny values. Add something different, a new layer even to Aces High and playing mode.

Wouldn't work...regardless of perks or not...a single Korean era jet in the same arena as WWII era would be like sticking a Spit1 in the WWI arena...even the Brewster would be devastating in the WWI arena.
You have to stop thinking on such terms...even the 262 would be no match for the Korean era AC...

Me262
Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28

F-86
Maximum speed: 687 mph at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight
also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h) and 599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots, 1,105 km/h at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.)
Stall speed: 124 mph (power off) (108 kt, 200 km/h)
Range: 1,525 mi, (1,753 NM, 2,454 km)
Service ceiling: 49,600 ft at combat weight (15,100 m)
Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min at sea level (45.72 m/s)
lift-to-drag: 15.1
Thrust/weight: 0.38
Time to altitude: 5.2 min (clean) to 30,000 ft (9,100 m)

P-80
Maximum speed: 600 mph (965 km/h)
Cruise speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)
Range: 1,200 mi (1,930 km)
Service ceiling: 46,000 ft (14,000 m)
Rate of climb: 4,580 ft/min (23.3 m/s) 5.5 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m)
Wing loading: 53 lb/ft² (260 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.43
Lift-to-drag ratio: 17.7

MiG15
Maximum speed: 1,075 km/h (668 mph)
Cruise speed: 840 km/h (520 mph)
Range: 1,200 km, 1,975 km with external tanks (745 mi / 1,225 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,500 m (50,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 50 m/s (9,840 ft/min)
Wing loading: 240.8 kg/m² (49.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.54

MiG17
Maximum speed: 1,144 km/h at 3,000 m (711 mph at 10,000 ft (3,000 m))
Range: 1,080 km, 1,670 km with drop tanks (670 mi / 1,035 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 65 m/s (12,795 ft/min)
Wing loading: 237 kg/m² (48 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.63

[Glasses]

Wouldn't work...regardless of perks or not...a single Korean era jet in the same arena as WWII era would be like sticking a Spit1 in the WWI arena...even the Brewster would be devastating in the WWI arena.
You have to stop thinking on such terms...even the 262 would be no match for the Korean era AC...

Me262
Maximum speed: 900 km/h (559 mph)
Range: 1,050 km (652 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,450 m (37,565 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,200 m/min (At max weight of 7,130 kg) (3,900 ft/min)
Thrust/weight: 0.28

F-86
Maximum speed: 687 mph at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight
also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h) and 599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots, 1,105 km/h at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.)
Stall speed: 124 mph (power off) (108 kt, 200 km/h)
Range: 1,525 mi, (1,753 NM, 2,454 km)
Service ceiling: 49,600 ft at combat weight (15,100 m)
Rate of climb: 9,000 ft/min at sea level (45.72 m/s)
lift-to-drag: 15.1
Thrust/weight: 0.38
Time to altitude: 5.2 min (clean) to 30,000 ft (9,100 m)

P-80
Maximum speed: 600 mph (965 km/h)
Cruise speed: 410 mph (660 km/h)
Range: 1,200 mi (1,930 km)
Service ceiling: 46,000 ft (14,000 m)
Rate of climb: 4,580 ft/min (23.3 m/s) 5.5 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m)
Wing loading: 53 lb/ft² (260 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.43
Lift-to-drag ratio: 17.7

MiG15
Maximum speed: 1,075 km/h (668 mph)
Cruise speed: 840 km/h (520 mph)
Range: 1,200 km, 1,975 km with external tanks (745 mi / 1,225 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,500 m (50,850 ft)
Rate of climb: 50 m/s (9,840 ft/min)
Wing loading: 240.8 kg/m² (49.3 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.54

MiG17
Maximum speed: 1,144 km/h at 3,000 m (711 mph at 10,000 ft (3,000 m))
Range: 1,080 km, 1,670 km with drop tanks (670 mi / 1,035 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,600 m (54,500 ft)
Rate of climb: 65 m/s (12,795 ft/min)
Wing loading: 237 kg/m² (48 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.63

Except for the MiG 17 I don't see anything particularly overwhelming about it.
Like I said it could be implemented in a trial basis, then faced out if the formula doesn't work particularly if the Korean era jets are heavily perked like I have said.

[321BAR]

Except for the MiG 17 I don't see anything particularly overwhelming about it.
Like I said it could be implemented in a trial basis, then faced out if the formula doesn't work particularly if the Korean era jets are heavily perked like I have said.

all the Korean War era jets are faster, more powerful, more maneuverable, and fly much longer AND climb much faster AND fly much higher than that big fat Messerschmitt

[Glasses]

all the Korean War era jets are faster, more powerful, more maneuverable, and fly much longer AND climb much faster AND fly much higher than that big fat Messerschmitt

That's different from the 262s being faster than the small  slow  Ponies, Lightnings, and Jugs how?  ; )

Allegedly Piston engined fighters still got a few a-a victories in Korea, so it's not out of question that they could or should.   

[321BAR]

That's different from the 262s being faster than the small  slow  Ponies, Lightnings, and Jugs how?  ; )

Allegedly Piston engined fighters still got a few a-a victories in Korea, so it's not out of question that they could or should.   

notice what prop planes were used? and in what roles mostly?

[Glasses]

notice what prop planes were used? and in what roles mostly?

Yes ground attack.

Also,considering  most of the Post war interceptors were based off of "acquired" data from aerodynamic research that was conducted  by the Germans.

Thus why the Sabre borrows the leading edge slat design in the F-86A. Of course this was later discarded as  engines became more powerful traded by a larger wing to improve low speed handling.