Rate has doubled?

[Pei]

Originally posted by Pooh21
but with guns banned the raw number should be 0?

Guns are not banned in the UK.

[Pei]

Originally posted by mydavis
it is impossible to compare the US and england on the need for guns by the general population.

England is an island, much easier to control the borders, also it is much smaller. less people, and is more of a homogenous society.
Englands neighbors are nations that have been civilized longer and have had multiple wars (with thier neighbors) and armed revolts (to overthrow Corrupt goverments)
Which tend to reduce the violence for generations after that.
England does not have gangs and criminals come in from Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, etc.
England does not share a border with a terrorist haven like canada, (although france is trying hard to catch up)


All of these factors contribute to a smaller crime rate in general.

US has no controllable border. shorter history, much larger land mass. and because of this larger land mass, has no way to have an effective mass transit system.  It has gangs and criminals from many countries migrating here. We are a melting pot of different nationalities.
Our founding fathers instilled in our rights Quote
" the right to keep and bear arms which the rulers of the european countries are afraid to do"
The US has a standing army and the people are trained in the use of weapons both for thier individual protection and protection of freedoms around the world.

For this right and freedom, we do pay a price.
We also pay a price to protect the freedoms of the countries around the world. In fact lets count the number of times the boy scouts of the US had to fight back the hitler youth to protect England. Wasnt it twice in the same half century ?? and provided the only incentive for russia not to invade europe for 40 years.

Now everyone from Europe ....tell us how you dislike that Americans have guns and know how to use them ? and in the same sentence you can thank us for writing in english instead of german.
( Your Welcome  ! )

then lets ask the people of the world who americans have died defending thier freedoms ?

We are also a nation with much more land, so we do not have the benefit of having police right down the street.  So for most americans the access to law enforcement in a timely manner is not possible.
We also provide more than half of the worlds food.

Well it entertaining at least

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Because they are fascinating mechanical marvels.

They are fun to shoot.

They are fun to modify.

They are fun to take apart.

I have a small willy.

Hell they are fun to build.

They are like Mini hotrods.

[lasersailor184]

Someone on this post called Canada a "Terrorist Haven."

5 points to the first person who guesses correctly who it was.  No cheating by using search.

[DREDIOCK]

But...but...but...but....

They have those gun laws!

crimes with guns should not be going up but be going down!

this defys all logic that anti gun laws will reduce gun crime!

And..and..and
if its against the law to commit a crime with a gun then no crimes should be committed with them.

This can only mean that people are....ignoring the law

Shocking!
I for one am appalled!

[john9001]

england has law breakers??  omg... call the bobbies, detain the bloody bananas.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Vulcan

Oh how original of you.

[SOB]

So he's just like everyone else who's seen it?

[GtoRA2]

Shhhhhh SOB!



Besides I could be hung like an gnat and still have more junk then most anzacs.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Hyena it does seem like everywhere you go, you will run into criminals on rampage. In that case I would wield one too.

Down here you can safely go where ever you want without giving it a second thought. Only in Helsinki there starts to be a problem with immigrant gangs. IMO every immigrant should be deported on the account of first violent crime in the host country. WTF do they think they are to come to leech our country and then become gangbangers?

[hyena426]

safely? your country is in the top 10 of highest crime...i dont care were you live..anything can happen..let alone animals that will kill ya..been alot more camping deaths now days..cause of tree huggers going out in the woods with out any protection and get mauled by bears or bucks..lol..just isnt safe..i would rather have my gun than try to out run a bear that can run 30miles a hour..lol

map of the 10 highest crime rates in the world http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Because they are fascinating mechanical marvels.

They are fun to shoot.

They are fun to modify.

They are fun to take apart.

Hell they are fun to build.

They are like Mini hotrods.

He who plays with fire....

[MrRiplEy[H]]

safely? your country is in the top 10 of highest crime...

Almost all violent crime in finland happens within people who know eachothers i.e. alcoholics fighting. Random attacks on people are extremely rare with the exclusion of Helsinki and the said immigrant gangbanging. Even there nobody carries guns for safety though - or thinks about needing them.

So yes, I can safely walk any streets / forest at any given time. Definately without a concealed carry for protection.

Besides the makers of that intardnet map withdraw any responsibility for any accuracy of that map (read the fine print) and it's painfully obvious that the map is flawed. Crime rates in russia for example are astronomical but they're left out from the map.

For a more comparative study, here are results as compiled by the Taiwan
government which covers several countries. (data was taken from various
statistical sources for 1998)

Murders per 100,000.
1. Russia Federation 18.07
2. United States 6.32
3. Malaysia 2.73
Taiwan  1.17
Spain 1.08
Japan 0.58

Rape per 100,000.
1. United States 34.20
2. England and Wales 14.69
3. France 13.38
Taiwan 8.82
South Korea 4.38
Spain 3.23
Japan 1.48

Serious Assault per 100,000.
1. Australia 713.68
2. England & Wales 405.20
3. United States 357.94
Taiwan 37.30
Spain 23.94
Japan 15.40

Robbery/Violent Theft per 100,000.
1. Spain 169.85
2. United States 169.02
3. France 144.10
Taiwan 14.35
South Korea 11.74
Japan 2.71

From The Analysis and Comparison on Statistics of Criminal Cases in Various
Countries
http://www.moi.gov.tw/W3/stat/english/etopic/89criminal.htm


Additional information:

U.S. Department of Justice: Bureau of Justice Statistics
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/hmrt.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/rape.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/rob.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/aslt.htm

Sourcebook of Crimnal Justice
http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/

Source: Google answers

[straffo]

Originally posted by mydavis
it is impossible to compare the US and england on the need for guns by the general population.

England is an island, much easier to control the borders, also it is much smaller. less people, and is more of a homogenous society.
Englands neighbors are nations that have been civilized longer and have had multiple wars (with thier neighbors) and armed revolts (to overthrow Corrupt goverments)
Which tend to reduce the violence for generations after that.
England does not have gangs and criminals come in from Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, etc.
England does not share a border with a terrorist haven like canada, (although france is trying hard to catch up)

I was starting to read your post when I noticed you were likely misinformed ...
Ever heard of "Londonistan" ,"Rachid Ramda" or "Djamel Beghal" ?


It took about 10 years to have Rachid Ramda extraded from England to have a proper trial in France.

[hyena426]

im not hear to argu or dis on your country..i was just explaining there are good reasons to own a gun here...and in my years,,i have never needed one in defence.used it too scare off wild life before....never had to use it too kill..in usa you would be silly to be in the woods with out a gun...im allways out fishing or camping..you can be 100miles away from anything...lots of hungry animals out there that can smell you and your food 20miles away.. better safe then sorry

hardly anyone carries guns in big towns..unless there gangster or afraid of the gangsters..lol..most big towns it is illegal to carry a gun..no one is afraid..we got more imigrants then you can shake a stick at..and less crime than most big countries..considering we got more people in my state than your whole country..i would say the odds of somthing bad happing..is minimal..but the odds of runing into bad people is higher..cause of the higher population..random chances are going to be higher with more numbers...but if you break it down into small groups..the over all crime looks better because less people are involved..

ps..you must be diggin,notice ya allready changed your reply before i could reply,,lol

even the un says you have a higher crime rate than england..i guess you better talk to the un about that one..lol..this is from a uk web sitehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/01/ncrime01.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/12/01/ixhome.html

The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled, robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or any other of the world's 20 largest nations. Only the Dominican Republic, New Zealand and Finland have higher crime rates than England and Wales.

According to the comparison of international crime statistics produced by the UN's Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention, England and Wales had 9,766 crimes for every 100,000 people in the year 2000. America had 8,517, South Africa 7,997, Germany 7,621 and Russia 2,022.

During the period 1998-2000, Britain went from fifth to fourth worst in the world league table. An analysis of total recorded crime figures before 1998 also suggests that England and Wales have moved sharply up the league table since Labour came to power in 1997. Crimes fell from 5.5 million in 1993 to 4.5 million in 1997. By 1999, total crimes had risen again to 5.3 million.

Last night Oliver Letwin, the shadow home secretary, said: "This does rather blow a hole in David Blunkett's claim that New Labour has crime under control. It is a damning picture."

The UN reports also shows that England and Wales are the second-worst places in the world for assaults, with 851 people assaulted per 100,000, and seventh for burglaries and car theft, with 1,579 burglaries per 100,000 population.