Author Topic: The Latest 9/11 conspiresists (Read 1966 times)

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 14, 2006, 10:46:00 PM »

a blackhawk can hold like 20+ people

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #61 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:10:37 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184

I have been thinking about it. It is a possibility that the steel columns melted after the collapse. Jet Fuel wasn't the only thing burning. Thousands upon Thousands upon Thousands of pounds of office materials like Paper, chemicals and other things.

Now, the heat caused column failure, but the building then fell upon itself. So the entire building itself as well as the ground and the fuel (not necessarily jet fuel) created a huge insulated fire. I'd guess (I am not perfectly certain) that because of those conditions, the fire could get hot enough to melt steel.

How could that be? Paper, chemicals, office materials, and other things burning underground? Buried beneath an entire buildings worth of concrete and dust..

What are the three essentials for fire? Seems one of them should have been in short supply.. Remember, we are talking 6 weeks after 9/11...

Slash27 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:18:38 PM »

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Originally posted by RAIDER14
I guess it was to hectic that tuesday morning but why didn't they think of rooftop rescues with helicopters?

Smoke conditions were too dangerous for rescue attempts from the roof tops from what I understand. There is footage from a helicopter circling one of the towers and the smoke was tremendous.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #63 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:21:20 PM »

so that heli was probaly a rescue attempt but smoke was too toxic and thick

storch · « **Reply #64 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:29:52 PM »

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" no way is someone this dumb. Steel elongates at 1200 degrees and causes trusses to fail.( as pointed out already) There are plenty of dead firefighters to contradict "no large steel frame building has ever collasped" theory. This handsomehunk needs beat about the head and shoulders with some IFSTA manuals for a hour or so.

that's about right we routinely heat steel in a forge in order make it workable. it doesn't take too much heat or very long to make it malleable. once it's glowing it's very soft. the steel didn't need to melt it just needed to annealed and I reckon it was. IIRC about 850 degrees F would be hot enough to alter the molecular composition of the steel in the shop we use the TLAR method to determine workability/maliabilty>

Slash27 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:32:48 PM »

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so that heli was probaly a rescue attempt but smoke was too toxic and thick

I believe, but not 100% sure, that it was a police helicopter and it just wasnt safe for them to make the attempt. Im sure it tore their guts out not to be able to help.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:35:59 PM »

and to see those people start jumping to there death:eek:

NattyIced · « **Reply #67 on:** February 15, 2006, 07:17:12 AM »

Heat rises and creates air disruptions as it does, especially when it isn't consistent. I don't imagine it would have been very easy to fly a helo in there even without the smoke.

Sandman · « **Reply #68 on:** February 15, 2006, 09:53:53 AM »

Heat doesn't rise.

Heated air does.

guttboy · « **Reply #69 on:** February 15, 2006, 09:57:37 AM »

Just a question here....

Anyone know why building seven went down? A guy I know is telling me that it was blown up then showed me a video of it....not a structural engineer so I really can't comment as to why that one went the way it did.

indy007 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 15, 2006, 10:00:42 AM »

Diesel fuel reservoirs for backup power generators at Guilliani's Emergency Command Center in the building exploded and the resulting fire brought it down.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 15, 2006, 04:21:20 PM »

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Originally posted by guttboy
Just a question here....

Anyone know why building seven went down? A guy I know is telling me that it was blown up then showed me a video of it....not a structural engineer so I really can't comment as to why that one went the way it did.

I was damaged from the collapse of the towers but took a while to fall

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #72 on:** February 15, 2006, 05:34:41 PM »

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Originally posted by guttboy
Just a question here....

Anyone know why building seven went down? A guy I know is telling me that it was blown up then showed me a video of it....not a structural engineer so I really can't comment as to why that one went the way it did.

Excellent question.. WTC7 recieved no damaged or at the most slight cosmetic damaged from the towers falling debris.. There were no 'out of control' fires that persistently burned in WTC7 as well as no documented ignition source for such fires.. There was a quantatiy of diesel storred in the lower levels of the 47story WTC7 but even the offical FEMA report notes these tanks were largely intact.. Also noted in the offical FEMA report is that it was very unlikey (read not possible) that a fire fueled by this diesel would/could burn hot enough to bring down a steel frame highrise.. No steel highrise had ever fallen to fire... ever... untill 9/11...

Other things to note from the collapse of WTC7.. fall time and symmetry of the fall.. Random fires? You be the judge..

xrtoronto · « **Reply #73 on:** February 15, 2006, 05:48:17 PM »

WTC7 had sustained enough damage to bring it down...don't forget there was 500 million tons of steel in EACH tower (plus glass, wires etc) and that weight came down in seconds and showed up on sizemographs 40 miles away!

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #74 on:** February 15, 2006, 06:00:01 PM »

did anyone outside of the towers die when the collapse happend?

Author Topic: The Latest 9/11 conspiresists (Read 1966 times)

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