American rides under modeled? LW rides broken?

[ChopSaw]

Some say American rides are under modeled in this game with regards to their performance.  Others say the LW rides are broken.  Who’s right?

I don’t personally have the credentials to answer this question and I know there are some genuine experts in the AH community.  I will, however, mention what Chuck Yeager had to say on the subject.  He felt that the P51D Mustang was the best plane in WWII for air superiority.  He loved the thing and felt it out performed the German rides hands down.  Since he was one of the best pilots this nation has ever seen and was actually in WWII fighting with and against the above aircraft, I would think his thoughts on the subject would have some validity.

Anyway….comments?

[Furball]

i thought he said the longnose 190 was the finest piston engined fighter he ever flew.

[OOZ662]

Yeager became an Ace in a Day by knocking down German training planes. He was also shot down.

His superior (rank wise) Bud Anderson says the P-51 and German rides were VERY closely matched in ways of performance. His book, To Fly and Fight; Memoirs of a Triple Ace, is a very good read.

I think it's a sense of nationalism that makes these claims sprout up. HT has come forward many times to say that they use the most reliable information they have at the time to model the aircraft; unbiased as possible.

[Pooface]

the american rides aren't undermodelled at all. there is one problem with the german rides, and that is the flap speed, they should come down at slightly higher speeds. and the 109g14 doesnt perform as it should, both of which HT is fixing i think.

HT tries to model everything as accurately as possible, it's the companies main goal, accuracy

[Fencer51]

Originally posted by OOZ662
Yeager became an Ace in a Day by knocking down German training planes. He was also shot down.

Whoa hold on here.  He shot down Bf109s that day.  

Also I believe he was the victim of a randomizer hit.

See Page 5.

If every pilot who was shot down opinion was discounted then the vast majority of the LW aces would not be good references as most were shot down multiple times.

[Timofei]

Originally posted by ChopSaw
Some say American rides are under modeled in this game with regards to their performance.  Others say the LW rides are broken.  Who’s right?

I don’t personally have the credentials to answer this question and I know there are some genuine experts in the AH community.  

The best expert have said:

Originally posted by hitech
Ill state it as plainly as I can.

We never have nor ever will adjust models based on the country of origin.

HiTech

And you can ignore the other "experts" that claim otherwise (mostly the "Luftwhiners"). With time, you will see who they are.

[OOZ662]

Originally posted by Fencer51
Whoa hold on here.  He shot down Bf109s that day.

I'm pretty sure I read that they were training aircraft in the book. I'll have to browse through it again.

I may have been confused by the other guy in the Ace in a Day list at MustangsMutangs.org

[Sable]

Bf109's of III/JG26 is what I recall.  And the Yeager quote regarding the Fw190 was "It was the only one in the same class as the Mustang" referring to the various captured planes he flew at Wright Field.

[Bruno]

Yeager's '5 claims in one day' includes 2 aircraft that supposedly collided with each other and one that augered.

[38ruk]

Originally posted by Bruno
Yeager's '5 claims in one day' includes 2 aircraft that supposedly collided with each other and one that augered.

Source?

[Bruno]

See Fencer's link for one (chuckyeager.org)

12 Oct '44

[Squire]

Most ace pilots that flew decent 1944-45 rides, be they German, Soviet, Brit, Japanese all say they liked "plane X" and that it was a match for the enemys.

The differences tend to get way overblown on the BBS "oh ya, it was 8 mph faster and it could so this with the flaps at one notch" blah blah blah.

In any case anecdotal sources can tell you the mindset of the individuals (they were confident, wow, what a surprise), but not much else concrete.

Yeager flew Mustangs, he was an ace, he survived the war. Its no shock he speaks highly of it.

[Sable]

I like how his biography page claims he was "the first ace in a day".  

[ChopSaw]

Originally posted by Squire
Most ace pilots that flew decent 1944-45 rides, be they German, Soviet, Brit, Japanese all say they liked "plane X" and that it was a match for the enemys.

The differences tend to get way overblown on the BBS "oh ya, it was 8 mph faster and it could so this with the flaps at one notch" blah blah blah.

In any case anecdotal sources can tell you the mindset of the individuals (they were confident, wow, what a surprise), but not much else concrete.

Yeager flew Mustangs, he was an ace, he survived the war. Its no shock he speaks highly of it.

Yeager flew more than the P51D in that war.  That just happened to be his favorite.  He shot down others with other planes, but the 51D was the one he thought best.  I believe I'll take the word of someone who was actually there with their life on the line.  The Mustang kept him alive.

Further, pilots of the P38 loved their planes as well.  They had a right to.  It was and is modeled in AH as a very sophisticated ride.  In its element and in the hands of a good pilot it is darn near unbeatable.  Witness what pilots such as Ack-Ack did with it.  However, even they admitted the P51 was better at air superiority.  It wasn’t as good at multi purpose jobs, but it was better at air superiority.  The Luftwaffe freaking hated Spitfires and what they could do.   Even proponents for other aircraft give aircraft that aren’t their favorites their due.

[ChopSaw]

Originally posted by Sable
I like how his biography page claims he was "the first ace in a day".  

Wasn't he?  Perhaps the first American ace in one day?  He never seemed to be the kind of guy that would claim something that wasn't true.